[Peace-discuss] Impeachment

Tue Jan 17 12:10:49 UTC 2017

They are all on my list of things to do, including Killer Koh. Fab.

Francis A. Boyle
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From: David Swanson [mailto:davidcnswanson at gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 10:28 PM
To: Boyle, Francis A <fboyle at illinois.edu>
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Subject: Re: Impeachment

How do we do that?

On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 10:44 PM, Boyle, Francis A <fboyle at illinois.edu<mailto:fboyle at illinois.edu>> wrote:
With all due respect Carl, the moment Obama leaves office on Friday at Noon we need to move on to having Obama et al. indicted for war crimes, crimes against humanity, murder  and numerous  other atrocities. Put them all  in jail where they  belong! Ditto for Bush Jr et al. There is no Statute of Limitations for these crimes and every court in the world has universal jurisdiction to try them.
Fab
Ed Norton Professor of Law
Carl Schmitt College of Law:
"Mein Fuhrer I can walk!"

Francis A. Boyle
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From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu<mailto:galliher at illinois.edu>]
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 9:36 PM
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Subject: Re: Impeachment

Certainly presidents can be impeached after leaving office - conviction making appointment to the Supreme Court, say, impossible - and Obama should be impeached for unconstitutional use of the military. There should be a movement to prevent his legal apotheosis.

—CGE

> From: "Boyle, Francis A" <fboyle at illinois.edu<mailto:fboyle at illinois.edu>>
> To: Kary Love <kary_love at yahoo.com<mailto:kary_love at yahoo.com>>; Terry Lodge <tjlodge50 at yahoo.com<mailto:tjlodge50 at yahoo.com>>; Brad Springer <bspringer at scholtenfant.com<mailto:bspringer at scholtenfant.com>>; Scot Reynolds <sareynolds1960 at yahoo.com<mailto:sareynolds1960 at yahoo.com>>
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> We need one Member of the House to introduce a Bill of Impeachment against Obama. Happy to serve as Counsel and Draft it if  you can get me one. Fab.
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> From: Kary Love [mailto:kary_love at yahoo.com<mailto:kary_love at yahoo.com>]
> Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 8:05 AM
> To: Boyle, Francis A <fboyle at illinois.edu<mailto:fboyle at illinois.edu>>; Terry Lodge <tjlodge50 at yahoo.com<mailto:tjlodge50 at yahoo.com>>; Brad Springer <bspringer at scholtenfant.com<mailto:bspringer at scholtenfant.com>>; Scot Reynolds <sareynolds1960 at yahoo.com<mailto:sareynolds1960 at yahoo.com>>
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> In order to be a republic, rather than a monarchy, the power to declare war, the most terrible power of government, must belong to the representatives of the people--not to a single individual.  In my view, this core power, given to the Congress by the Constitution, is not delegable by the Congress to the President without destroying separation of powers in its most critical aspect.  The abuse of the power to declare war by tyrants and kings throughout history, including the use of war to create fear among the people and to distract them from domestic issues, was one reason the Constitution reposed this power exclusively in the Congress.  Allowing its delegation to the executive branch destroys the participation of the people through their representatives in the decision to engage in this most fearsome of governmental acts.
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> The acquiesce by Congress, again, is disturbing.  The statements by "leaders" in Congress that the power has been fully delegated to the executive and no further action is necessary or proper is arguably an impeachable offense, in my view.  Certainly, it is evidence that those holding that view have abandoned their responsibility to act in accord with their oath to uphold the Constitution and should be considered by voters when deciding to return such persons to Congress--and in considering candidates for the executive.  The compact between the people and the national government is the Constitution.  When the government actions destroy the core limits imposed, contrary to the representations made to the ratifying conventions of the people, arguably the contract is dissolved.  KL
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