[Peace-discuss] Guest Commentary by Carl in NG

Sun Nov 5 12:04:33 UTC 2017

Karen,

You don't have the facts.  What books have you read on the subject?  I have
corresponded with authors and veterans of the fight.  I don't recall saying
anything about General Mattis's exhortation to his Marines before they
began serving in Iraq.  I have not looked up that old e-mail from over a
decade ago.

Roger

What I would really like to see is satellite photos before and after the
two Battles of Fallujah.  I also wish that Marines had kept records of the
people who left before the 2nd Battle.  I strongly expect that all the
innocent civilians who could leave left.  I don't know if any records exist
of the number of people who did.  You and Boyle, though, greatly exagerate
the number of supposed innocent civilians who were killed.  My sole
interest in the two battles was determining if depleted uranium was used
and in the refutation of lies such as those set out in supposed peer
reviewed journals (that really are nothing more than profit centers that
publish all that the author is willing to pay the processing fee for) by
Christoper Charles Busby and associates like Mozghan Savabiesafahani and
even by news organizations like the BBC and Australian Broadcasting
Corporation.  I did this because of my over decade long independent
research into DU that began when Douglas Lind Rokke of Rantoul personally
lied about me like Boyle does because people on Pro-Kerry lists paid
attention to what I wrote that disagreed with him and his fellow liars
Dennis Joseph Kyne, Jr and Leuren K Moret, both of whom appeared in the
video "Beyond Treason" produced by Neo Nazi David von Kleist.  I got
interested in depleted uranium because Kyne's girlfriend posted to an
anti-Bush list that DU was worse than nuclear fallout (I can dig back and
find the exact quotes, but that will take time) and worse than Nagasakl or
Hiroshima.  My degree is in Geology and the Air Force trained me to
predict, detect and protect against fallout so I thought that was wrong and
began researching and finding that I was correct in my assumptions.  After
Rokke lied about who I was, I decided to background him using the Freedom
of Information Act and other tools I had learned about from journalists
when I was a whistleblower.  It took me two tries to get his records, but I
found that he lied about far more than just me and then I began to dig
deeper.  The subject never dies even though DU has not been used on any
significant basis since the drive on Baghdad in 2003.  Two strafing runs
were made against ISIS fuel tankers in 2015 and a few hundred rounds were
fired in Syria, but none were ever fired in Libya or Afghanistan or Somalia
(where Italians successfully won court case to be reimbursed for
non-existent DU exposure).

PS - Boyle should change the name of the Law Building to Speculative
Innuendo Building because he spreads speculative innuendo - not fact based
evidence as required to render lawful judgment

PPS - the spreading of lies on this list is the real anathema to what it
stands for - when I was fighting Bush, I always said you do not fight lies
with bigger lies!  You and Boyle need to understand that.  I fought the
Swift Boat Liars during the Kerry Campaign.  Sadly, he did not win the
Presidency either.

PPPS - Marion Fulk was cited in part of what I erased to make this message
much shorter - my longer message provides a link to the reply I got from
the University of California about Leuren K Moret and Marion Fulk.  Neither
of them is particularly knowledgeable about uranium, depleted or
otherwise.  It is also highly unlikely that Fulk was a Manhattan Project
scientist as Moret has claimed that he was, but there appear to be no
records that would prove that definitively.  What is true is that the
Nuclear Regulatory Commission on-line files show that Moret used Fulk's
Livermore residence address and presumably was living with Fulk at the time.

On Sat, Nov 4, 2017 at 7:57 AM, Karen Aram <karenaram at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Roger
>
> Your statement: "There was no massacre at Fallujah. This is nonsense.
> Mattis expected his troops to be peacekeepers.”
>  is so ludicrous, it invites laughter, long and loud laughter, if it
> weren’t so tragic, the many lives destroyed as a result of “Mad Dog Mattis”
> and the USG in it’s continuing genocide.
>
> Nothing you say, can ever be taken seriously, your continued harassment of
> anti-war activists on this “Peace Discussion List” is anathema to
> everything it stands for.
>
> I have to ask what are you doing here if not, just to irritate. Okay maybe
> your goal is to entertain, but your entertainment is very sick.
>
> Anyone and everyone, who supports the wars and interventions the US has
> and continues to perpetrate around the world, has blood on their hands, as
> “complicit Americans." That is the way we are viewed by others in the world
> today.
>
> On Nov 4, 2017, at 07:31, Roger Helbig via Peace-discuss <
> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>
> what exactly is that supposed to mean - my choices of assignment were
> Intelligence, Weather and Cartography and the Air Force made me an
> Electronic Systems (ground radar maintenance) Officer - I liked languages -
> I was a literate three year old in Russian and wanted to learn more - I
> like puzzles - putting pieces together - that's what I thought intelligence
> officers did - Weather was where I got assigned for familiarization during
> summer camp so I somewhat expected that I would get that and a M/S in
> Meterology - Cartography because as a Geologist, I made maps of what was
> below the ground and cartographers made maps of what was above the ground.
>
> I voted for Democratic candidates starting with George McGovern - so I was
> not exactly a fan of Richard Nixon so hardly Nixonian!
>
> Roger
>
> On Sat, Nov 4, 2017 at 7:19 AM, Boyle, Francis A <fboyle at illinois.edu>
> wrote:
>
>> “I wanted to be”—Military Intelligence. A Typical Nixonian Limited
>> Hang-out. fab.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Roger Helbig [mailto:rwhelbig at gmail.com]
>> *Sent:* Saturday, November 04, 2017 9:15 AM
>> *To:* Boyle, Francis A <fboyle at illinois.edu>; Peace-discuss <
>> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Peace-discuss] Guest Commentary by Carl in NG
>>
>>
>>
>> and you spread lies - I never worked for military intelligence - they
>> would not let me because I am partially color blind and to be an Air Force
>> intelligence officer, you needed to be able to interpret false colors on
>> air photos - I wanted to be because I like to work through problems and
>> took Russian as an elective my senior year as part of my know your enemy
>> program -
>>
>>
>>
>> Now, you have not refuted that The American Free Press was established by
>> Willis Carto - that Carto was a Neo Nazi or that Bollyn worked for Carto
>> and Buchanan - you more than likely have not read Blood and Politics -
>> maybe some of the others were.
>>
>>
>>
>> I don't seem to have scan of page where the American Free Press was
>> established to replace The Spotlight, but attached is the one where it
>> discusses the establishment of The Barnes Review and the conference
>> discussed on the blog is for both of these publications.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 4, 2017 at 6:37 AM, Boyle, Francis A <fboyle at illinois.edu>
>> wrote:
>>
>> *Once again, Roger crawls out of his hole as a Mole for  US “Military
>> Intelligence”—an oxymoron to be sure.*
>>
>> *Fab*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Roger Helbig [mailto:rwhelbig at gmail.com]
>> *Sent:* Saturday, November 04, 2017 8:12 AM
>>
>>
>> You do know that Christopher Bollyn is NOT a reporter but is a Neo Nazi
>> operative of long standing and that the American Free Press is not a news
>> organization, but a Neo Nazi front - look up Willis Carto - he was Bollyn's
>> boss and founded the American Free Press - this website that has reports of
>> conference for American Free Press and The Barnes Review used to have a
>> prominent picture of a Nazi flag behind the blogger Alex Hassinger -
>> Douglas Lind Rokke of Urbana spoke at this event and Dave von Kleist the
>> producer of Rokke's first anti-US propaganda video  "Beyond Treason" was
>> the master of ceremonies - http://www.chairmanofnordwave.blogspot.com
>> <https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.chairmanofnordwave.blogspot.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7Ckarenaram%40hotmail.com%7C6ea0294d887b4910ba5108d52390c739%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636454027089180992&sdata=Hl4cOraSLfiO2D0K9qh%2BFXKlqxPmA2B4bLRcyHCHFeY%3D&reserved=0>
>>
>>
>>
>> Carto died in 2015 - there are a number of good sources on Carto in a
>> simple Google search -
>>
>>
>>
>> Learn about Neo Nazis - read this book - "Blood and Politics" - it
>> mentions Bollyn and extensively discusses Carto - pg 382, which I can
>> e-mail to all who request - has Carto's establishment of The Barnes Review,
>> a Holocaust Denial publication - The American Free Press replaced Carto's
>> The Spotlight after Carto lost a legal battle - Bollyn is also mentioned in
>> connection with a Pat Buchanan campaign apparatus
>>
>>
>>
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