[Peace-discuss] NYTimes.com: Outlawing War? It Actually Worked

Mon Sep 4 20:22:38 UTC 2017

“...American strategists regard domination of the vast Eurasian land mass as the key to US global hegemony and China as the chief obstacle to that goal...

“Last month, both China and Russia voted for, and have begun implementing, crippling UN sanctions on North Korea that will slash its exports by one third. What is now being actively discussed in Washington is a total economic embargo—itself an act of war—and the cutting of trade with those who continue to conduct any with North Korea—above all China and Russia...

“The Trump administration has accelerated the diplomatic, economic and military challenge to China begun by President Obama under his “pivot to Asia.” The massive US military build-up in North East Asia, including the installation of anti-ballistic missile systems and huge and highly provocative joint US-South Korean war games, is directed more at fighting a nuclear war with China than a conflict with the small, backward country of North Korea.

“As well as ramping up the confrontation on the Korean Peninsula, the Trump administration has given the green light for more “freedom of navigation” operations in another of the region’s volatile flashpoints—the South China Sea. The Wall Street Journal reported on Friday that the US Pacific Command is preparing to sail warships and send military aircraft directly into waters and airspace claimed by China around its islets, two or three times in the next few months as part of a regular schedule...

“The danger is that Trump will resort to a war against North Korea with incalculable consequences, as a means of directing acute domestic class tensions outwards against an external foe…” [wsws.org <http://wsws.org/>]

—CGE

> On Sep 4, 2017, at 3:19 PM, Brussel, Morton K via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> 
> Agreed, Karen. David Swanson has been, frustratingly, promoting the Kellog-Briand pact for a long time to no avail. The powers that be in the U.S. have depended on war and associated actions to achieve their hegemonic goals. 
> 
> —mkb
> 
> 
>> On Sep 4, 2017, at 9:16 AM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net <mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> Ron,
>> 
>> Really?
>> 
>> The US, for whose behavior, we as Americans are responsible, hasn’t abided by International laws or our own laws in years, with just the use of our drones alone. Our destruction of Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. etc. is hardly a sign that “acquisition” of land and resources is no longer an issue due to laws. We know that control of those nations and their resources is and continues to be the goal. 
>> 
>> Any, suggestion that “sanctions” are a peaceful means of dealing with issues vs war, is ridiculous, given the thousands of children who died as a result of our sanctions against Iran, and most sanctions other than those imposed on S.Africa, are a “prelude” or “provocation” to war. Which is what the current US government is implementing against Russia, N.K. and China, rather than the use of diplomacy.
>> 
>> This article is clearly an attempt, per usual on the part of main stream media, which includes the NYT’s to vilify Russia with it’s statements in respect to the Crimea. Of course that should come as no surprise given it’s written by Yale Law School Professors, the Law School known for its creation of USG war mongers. 
>> 
>>> On Sep 3, 2017, at 17:34, Szoke, Ron via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net <mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:
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>>> Another perspective:
>>> 
>>> From: r-szoke <emailthis at ms3.lga2.nytimes.com <mailto:emailthis at ms3.lga2.nytimes.com>>
>>> Subject: NYTimes.com <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__nytimes.com_&d=DwMGaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=tfHzwZBcTLEveiewRiq0OdhFmfRmlvZjpIBS0AUJ2v0&m=54S9M4oDuEnIdAH6KJUP4sxOduZo66KXHcJnoJ8fIIA&s=pAjuRmW_e0lbMr9EGFo5tYJ0WhN6A5XyluzIpAS9uo8&e=>: Outlawing War? It Actually Worked
>>> Date: September 3, 2017 
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>>>  
>>> Sent by r-szoke at illinois.edu <mailto:r-szoke at illinois.edu>:	
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>>> GRAY MATTER
>>> Outlawing War? It Actually Worked <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__p.nytimes.com_email_re-3Flocation-3DpMJKdIFVI6og8d-2BofNlzGxrWDcH8fHft-26user-5Fid-3Dee7558d54531b290bd05280f4b7d6eb4-26email-5Ftype-3Deta-26task-5Fid-3D1504484964687522-26regi-5Fid-3D0&d=DwMGaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=tfHzwZBcTLEveiewRiq0OdhFmfRmlvZjpIBS0AUJ2v0&m=54S9M4oDuEnIdAH6KJUP4sxOduZo66KXHcJnoJ8fIIA&s=ExcdGAUUZqHfkl293QItSLuj04j4MAVuBZjZQfmImoY&e=>
>>> BY OONA A. HATHAWAY AND SCOTT J. SHAPIRO
>>> 
>>> A 1928 pact brought an end to the right of conquest and changed the way states behave.
>>> Or, copy and paste this URL into your browser: https://nyti.ms/2xGsept <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__p.nytimes.com_email_re-3Flocation-3DpMJKdIFVI6og8d-2BofNlzGxrWDcH8fHft-26user-5Fid-3Dee7558d54531b290bd05280f4b7d6eb4-26email-5Ftype-3Deta-26task-5Fid-3D1504484964687522-26regi-5Fid-3D0&d=DwMGaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=tfHzwZBcTLEveiewRiq0OdhFmfRmlvZjpIBS0AUJ2v0&m=54S9M4oDuEnIdAH6KJUP4sxOduZo66KXHcJnoJ8fIIA&s=ExcdGAUUZqHfkl293QItSLuj04j4MAVuBZjZQfmImoY&e=>
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Curiously, no mention of Israel acquiring the West Bank (from Jordan) or the Golan (from Syria) by wars of conquest.
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