[Peace-discuss] [Peace] My plea, related to the Yellow Vest movement in France

[Karen Aram]

That is my point: "I support worker owned and operated industries, or nationalized industries. Corporations no.”

I did not make the second below statement though it appears as if I did, but to counter it…

The government is owned by the corporations, they have only one interest, profit. Focus on “profit” results in exploitation of workers, inefficiency due to “cutting corners to reduce costs” and poor customer service as a result. It also results in customers with the ability to purchase the services, due to erosion of wages.

Examples of programs that have worked which are run by government are:  “Medicare” the “USPS”, and SS, until our corporate owned government began whittling away, in order to “privatize.”  I’m told it started in the late 70’s and 80’s.

I support socialism, and see hope, only when our capitalist system is eradicated.



On Dec 9, 2018, at 17:38, John W. <jbw292002 at gmail.com<mailto:jbw292002 at gmail.com>> wrote:

On Sun, Dec 9, 2018 at 5:43 PM Karen Aram <karenaram at hotmail.com<mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com>> wrote:

I support worker owned and operated industries, or nationalized industries. Corporations no.

But....but....Don't the corporations and our current government operate more or less hand in hand, or hand in glove?  What's to guarantee that a corrupt government will operate an industry in an equitable manner, any more than the present corporation does?




On Dec 9, 2018, at 15:12, John W. <jbw292002 at gmail.com<mailto:jbw292002 at gmail.com>> wrote:


I suppose I should add here (not that my opinion matters one iota in the grand scheme of things):  I'm not sure that nationalization of corporations is necessarily the best idea.  What about worker-owned and -operated corporations?  I'd like to see workers have more of a direct say in their own wages and working conditions, and in what the corporation does and how its profits are shared.



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On Sun, Dec 9, 2018 at 12:23 PM Karen Aram via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net<mailto:peace at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:

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This is major, governments of the world are watching in fear, because it could happen to them.

A couple months ago, Macron had no idea such a rebellion could take place, he has been doing what most governments including the US tell their people to do, "eat cake," while increasing profits for the rich, while taxing the poor.

The people of France understand class and class warfare.

Between 70 to 80% of the people support the "yellow vest" movement, because they tried voting, they tried the various Party's, and its gotten them nowhere. They've finally banded together, the working class and poor of both left and right using the power of the people, as they know they have, which we have forgotten.

No one knows the outcome, but there is no turning back, a bridge has been crossed and the people of Europe recognize capitalism doesn't work, and governments that oppress the people need to be taken down. It has already spread to Belgium, and fires are igniting in other parts of Europe. Brexit in the UK is just one such example of people wanting change.

When GM closed down recently, putting people out of work, after we bailed them out due to the crash of 2008, with no conditions, we should be advocating take overs of GM properties by the workers, nationalization of these corporations rather than just focusing on "he said, she said," and the upcoming elections of 2020.

As long as we allow these patriarchal governments, whether one Party or the other, we will continue to massacre vulnerable people around the world, bringing the death and destruction home to reign on the poor.

Rise up America because the time is now, if not now, when? We have too little time before its too late to save the planet and life as we know it.

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