[Peace-discuss] FW: Trump versus NATO is a false narrative.

Sat Jul 14 20:32:48 UTC 2018

It would be so great to see every pundit attempt to write a column without using any of the usual "ism" words or Left, Right, neo-, conservative, Republican, Democrat, Green, or identity politics descriptions. What a challenge for them- bereft of their  easy verbal holes to hide in, they might need to think on the ground of plain truth. 
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------ Original message------From: Estabrook, Carl G via Peace-discussDate: Sat, Jul 14, 2018 9:43 AMTo: David Johnson;'C G Estabrook';Cc: 'Peace Discuss';Subject:Re: [Peace-discuss] FW:  Trump versus NATO is a false narrative.

Throughout the capitalist world, it's no longer a matter of Left versus Right, but of popular opposition to corporate globalism - neoliberalism and neoconservatism.

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Yes Carl, I realize that.

After I wrote my reply, I thought maybe Wayne misunderstood what I meant in regards to “ the sound familiar “ statement I made. I meant in regards to other
 governments like the UK , France and the U.S. who have done actions opposed by a large percentage of their citizens, like the German government did in recent years.

David J.

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I think it’s a wry joke on ‘Lebensraum.’

On Jul 14, 2018, at 7:46 AM, David Johnson via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:

Excuse me ?

What is that supposed to mean Wayne ?

I am talking about the realities of 2018, NOT the history of the 1930’s / 1940’s.

David J.

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not to worry.

germans just need room to live.

On 2018-07-14 20:26 , David Johnson via Peace-discuss Wrote: 

German troops are also in Turkey on the Syrian border.

The stationing of German troops in war zones outside of Germany is a violation of the post war constitution and is opposed by the vast majority of the German
 public, but the neo-liberal government did it anyway.

Sound familiar ?

David J.

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 Carl G via Peace-discuss

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But Nato troops (Germans) are aiding US killing in Afghanistan - myrmidons for the empire... 

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Insightful article about Trump and NATO:

https://www.salon.com/2018/07/11/trump-versus-nato-not-so-fast_partner/

A response to the assumed threats is that NATO-Trump apologists cite:  No one is attacking, or is a threat to the NATO countries, but some states may forestall, or resist, the hegemony, economic, political, and military, that the U.S. demands. 

—mkb

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