[Peace-discuss] Stop dividing AntiWar

Tue Jul 17 02:08:22 UTC 2018

 παιδαγωγός<https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CF%80%CE%B1%CE%B9%CE%B4%CE%B1%CE%B3%CF%89%CE%B3%CF%8C%CF%82#Ancient_Greek> (paidagōgós) = pedagogue; teacher; guide

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From: E. Wayne Johnson [ewj at pigs.ag]
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To: Estabrook, Carl G; C G Estabrook
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Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Stop dividing AntiWar

Paul uses the word schoolmaster but indeed some of them are babysitters.

The covenant has changed but not the foundational principles.

We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;
A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man
For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer.
For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law:
Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.
But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
and they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
- Hebrews 8

Estabrook, Carl G wrote:
My first professor of New Testament studies in grad school was Krister Stendahl, author of the classic article, "The Apostle Paul and the Introspective Conscience of the West" - which deals also with Augustine and Luther.

Stendahl (who became a Lutheran bishop) pointed out that Paul saw the Law as a 'babysitter' (his word) until the messiah came.

And the best account of the kosher rules that I know (reference on request) describes how they are a symbolization of the rules of order and non-killing in the Ten Commandments (e.g., animals that kill to eat - or meat-eaters, including pigs - are not kosher). Thus the law symbolizes the messianic age, until messiah comes. That's why Christians are not bound by its ceremonial (symbolic) requirements, according to Paul.

--CGE
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"Also NOT Jesus' words and NOT in the New Testament, which supersedes the Old."

The New Testament is not a contradiction or superseding of the Law and the Prophets
(the old testament) but rather is a fulfillment of the OT.
The New is in the Old contained, the Old is in the New explained.
The New is in the Old concealed, the Old is in the New revealed.

Here are a few of those red letter words regarding the "Old Testament" being superseded and
made to none effect...

Heaven and earth will disintegrate before even the
smallest detail of the word of God will fail or lose its power.
- Luke 16.17 (The Passion Translation)

in case of some idea about cherrypicking a suitable translation...

But even the smallest part of a letter in the law cannot be changed.
- Luke 16.17 ("Easy-to-Read" Translation)  [RTFM, Francis...]

Facilius est autem caelum et terram praeterire, quam de lege unum apicem cadere.
- Lucas 16.17 (Vulgate)

ευκοπωτερον δε εστιν τον ουρανον και την γην παρελθειν η του νομου μιαν κεραιαν πεσειν
ΚΑΤΑ ΛΟΥΚΑΝ 16.17

天 地 废 去 较 比 律 法 的 一 点 一 画 落 空 还 容 易 。
- 路 加 福 音 16.17 ("he he ben 和合本 chinese union version, 简体字 simplified chars.)

and in context -

“The Law and the Prophets were proclaimed until John.
Since that time, the good news of the kingdom of God is being preached,
and everyone is forcing their way into it.
It is easier for heaven and earth to disappear than
for the least stroke of a pen to drop out of the Law."
- Luke 16.16-17 NIV

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