[Peace-discuss] retraction--FOR THE RECORD

[Mildred O'brien]

Dennis Kucinich did not retire or "leave" Congress in 2012: he was forced out by the DNC & Ohio Democratic Party which redistricted him out of office by combining the  eastern Ohio/Cleveland with that across state with Toledo, which was a safe district for his orthodox Democrat rival, who was elected.  That's when I gave up on voting for any Democrat (not hard to do in Illinois) and decided to not vote for a D rather than for a Repugnantcrat, although there are a few Dems across the nation who don't toe the DNC line, but not for long.  Maybe that's a cowardly way out, but there's no law that says I have to vote in the corrupt 2-party system   It's not my fault that Dems nominated Hillary, who delivered what we have now.

Midge O'Brien 


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From: Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
To: C G Estabrook <cgestabrook at gmail.com>
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Sent: Sat, Jul 28, 2018 3:02 pm
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] retraction

I don't know. I would like to think that we can push for the introduction in the House and Senate when they return in September of bills invoking the War Powers Resolution to force floor votes on ending U.S. participation in the Yemen war. I think we could win a floor vote in the House, and I think that would be a big deal. Maybe we could even win a floor vote in the Senate, and that would be an even bigger deal. But I am worried that we won't be able to build enough pressure to make this happen, given the dominant mood in Washington now that the only things that people should care about are things that help one team or the other in election mobilization. 

But one thing I am pretty sure of is that we would much be better off now if we had replaced Dennis Kucinich in the House as an anti-war champion, a leader of anti-war efforts, on the Democratic side when he left DC in 2012. And that, belatedly, we should try to figure out who the new Dennis Kucinich can be. I'm sure it's not Barbara Lee. I'm sure it's not Ro Khanna. But who it is I don't yet know. 

I'm trying to write something about this...



Robert Naiman
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Just Foreign Policy
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On Sat, Jul 28, 2018 at 2:27 PM, C G Estabrook via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
What are effective ways now to demand Congress end that war? And the others?

The US is making war in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Pakistan, Somalia, and of course Syria, as well as Yemen. Thousands of U.S. troops are killing people in these countries, and more than a quarter of a million are stationed in a thousand US bases on foreign soil, most of them ringing Russia and China. The 70,000-members of the U.S. ‘Special Operations Command’ are active in no less than three-quarters of the countries of the world. Their activities include kidnapping (‘rendition’), torture, and murder.   

But the US government - cannier now than 50 years ago - has actively avoided the rise of popular outrage. By 1969 about 70% of the public had come to regard the war in Vietnam as “fundamentally wrong and immoral,” not “a mistake,” largely as a result of the impact of student protest on general consciousness. And that mass opposition compelled the business community and then the government to stop the escalation of the war.

But the propaganda shield is more sophisticated now, from Russiagate to Trump Derangement Syndrome.

What Is To Be Done? —CGE


On Jul 28, 2018, at 2:07 PM, Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:

I wouldn't have argued with Carl so strongly about the proposition that the world would be better off or worse off if Dems take the House if I had not believed at the time that Dems would help us end the U.S.-Saudi war in Yemen. I agree with him completely about the horrible ick of Dems becoming the anti-Russia party. I was quite certain that was outweighed by the possibility of ending the war in Yemen, which has pushed millions of human beings to the edge of starvation, and will push ten million more to the edge of starvation by the end of the year if it is not stopped. 

I don't believe that anymore. I don't believe anymore that Dems are going to help us end the war in Yemen. I believed that because that's what I was told by people whom I had good reason to trust. But they reneged. So now that's an open question for me; maybe they will, maybe they won't, but I have no basis for believing that they will. 

Thus, I don't care anymore if Dems take the House. 



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