[Peace-discuss] moderator help

Mon Jul 30 14:32:03 UTC 2018

It seems your central point has been made and listened to several times over, Carl and Wayne.  Some of us agree; some disagree. I vote we skip bringing out the torn & ratty old arguments of censorship, free speech, insults, yada, when it is clear who seems to have the most free speech in this group. 
Your communication skills are many and varied and respected here. As I say constantly, probably 98% of Americans want the same things: a good education, job, healthcare, clean air, food, land, water, security. For any anti-war or pro-Americans movement to succeed, we mustbfocus on our common goals of course. Splitting up constituencies was the ultimate cause of the 60s Civil Rights Movement's downfall. Womyn's rights only got so far, black womyn's rights less far, and marijuana was criminalized. Etc. 
Are you ignoring the move to vote on staying on anti-war topics only, having a group meeting to discuss it, or starting a different discussion group? 
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------ Original message------From: C G EstabrookDate: Mon, Jul 30, 2018 8:54 AMTo: Stuart Levy;Cc: E. Wayne Johnson;bjornsona at ameritech.net;C G Estabrook via Peace-discuss;kmedina67;Subject:Re: [Peace-discuss] moderator help
Do you intend to censor posts to the <peace-dscuss> email list, as you do to the <peace> email list, Stuart?
Censorship is a peculiar practice for a liberal, isn’t it?
“If you don’t believe I free speech for views you despise, you don’t believe in it at all.”  —Noam Chomsky 

On Jul 30, 2018, at 8:40 AM, Stuart Levy via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:

    Lots of right arguments go unheard, and many wrong ones flourish, or
    else why would the US still be supporting the bombardment of Yemen?

    Look, I signed up for AWARE as an anti-war group.   I go with David
    and Ann and Karen to work the farmer's market twice a month, and to
    the monthly demonstrations, to express and work for opposition to US
    participation in wars around the world.   I've done that and other
    things for many years, as many of you know who have been doing it
    beside me.

    I'm here on this list and others for discussion of opposition to war
    and what we can do about it.

    I didn't sign up to AWARE, and neither did the several people who
    joined this list just last weekend, to join an anti-abortion
    (and-oh-by-the-way-never-mind-what-happens-to-the-mothers) group.

    Anyone here who wishes to start or join such a group, run a market
    presence, hold demonstrations, carry on discussions, is welcome
    to.   But not on this list, please.

        Stuart

    On 07/30/2018 09:38 AM, E. Wayne
      Johnson via Peace-discuss wrote:

      If you are right, then the power of
        your argument should be sufficient

        to squelch those who oppose your ideas, and you ought not need
        to appeal to 

        a higher (Levitical) authority for narrowing of the limits of
        debate.

        And when you are wrong, to admit the fault, delete the offending
        code, and reboot.

        bjornsona--- via Peace-discuss wrote:

          Dear Moderator :)  What is the  agreement for
            what people are allowed to publish here? I hate to lose
            subscribers because we go off topic. (Guilty, I know).  

            Sent from my LG
                Phoenix 2, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone

            ------ Original message------
            From: C G Estabrook via
              Peace-discuss
            Date: Sun, Jul 29, 2018 8:57 AM
            To: kmedina67;
            Cc: Peace-discuss;
            Subject:Re: [Peace-discuss] Stop
              dividing AntiWar

          A paraphrase:

          "Until the conditions for Americans in the world (beset by
          terrorists) change, access to safe drone assassinations needs
          to be an option, if you value the life of Americans.

            "If you don't value the life of Americans, then criminalize
            them." 

                On Jul 29, 2018, at 12:59 AM, kmedina67
                  via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
                  wrote:

                    Until the conditions for women change,
                      access to safe abortion needs to be an option, if
                      you value the life of the woman. 

                    If you don't value the life of the
                      woman,  then criminalize her. 

                        - Karen Medina
                        "The really great make you feel that
                          you, too, can become great" - Mark Twain

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