[Peace-discuss] moderator help

[C G Estabrook]

"The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function." - F. Scott Fitzgerald 

By Fitzgerald’s description, who has a first-rate intelligence, you or me? I think it’s the former.

Are anti-war and anti-abortion ideas contradictory or congruent? I think it’s the latter.

—CGE




> On Jul 30, 2018, at 3:26 PM, Brussel, Morton K <brussel at illinois.edu> wrote:
> 
> I feel sorry for those remaining in AWARE to have to contend with Carl and (the remote) ewJ for their anti-women’s-choice absurd ratiocinations. Carl should consult Noam Chomsky, his intellectual guide,  on this issue. In any case, it would seem advisable to see the antiracism, antiwar part of AWARE protected from the anti-abortion toxic injections of Carl.
> —mkb
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jul 30, 2018, at 11:13 AM, bjornsona--- via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net <mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> I never said I was I liberal 
>> 
>> Sent from my LG Phoenix 2, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
>> 
>> ------ Original message------
>> From: C G Estabrook
>> Date: Mon, Jul 30, 2018 9:05 AM
>> To: Stuart Levy;
>> Cc: E. Wayne Johnson;bjornsona at ameritech.net <mailto:;bjornsona at ameritech.net>;C G Estabrook via Peace-discuss;kmedina67;
>> Subject:Re: [Peace-discuss] moderator help
>> 
>> My argument is that the same concerns that lead us to condemn US killing in the Mideast for the profits of the 1% shou ld animate our opposition to the killing of the unborn because the 1% are "concerned about population growth and particularly growth in populations that we don’t want to have too many of.”
>> 
>> To suppress such a discussion on an anti-war reading list is remarkably illiberal. —CGE
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 30, 2018, at 8:40 AM, Stuart Levy via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net <mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Lots of right arguments go unheard, and many wrong ones flourish, or else why would the US still be supporting the bombardment of Yemen?
>>> 
>>> Look, I signed up for AWARE as an anti-war group.   I go with David and Ann and Karen to work the farmer's market twice a month, and to the monthly demonstrations, to express and work for opposition to US participation in wars around the world.   I've done that and other things for many years, as many of you know who have been doing it beside me.
>>> 
>>> I'm here on this list and others for discussion of opposition to war and what we can do about it.
>>> 
>>> I didn't sign up to AWARE, and neither did the several people who joined this list just last weekend, to join an anti-abortion (and-oh-by-the-way-never-mind-what-happens-to-the-mothers) group.
>>> 
>>> Anyone here who wishes to start or join such a group, run a market presence, hold demonstrations, carry on discussions, is welcome to.   But not on this list, please.
>>> 
>>>     Stuart
>>> 
>>> On 07/30/2018 09:38 AM, E. Wayne Johnson via Peace-discuss wrote:
>>>> If you are right, then the power of your argument should be sufficient
>>>> to squelch those who oppose your ideas, and you ought not need to appeal to 
>>>> a higher (Levitical) authority for narrowing of the limits of debate.
>>>> 
>>>> And when you are wrong, to admit the fault, delete the offending code, and reboot.
>>>> 
>>>> bjornsona--- via Peace-discuss wrote:
>>>>> Dear Moderator :)  What is the  agreement for what people are allowed to publish here? I hate to lose subscribers because we go off topic. (Guilty, I know).  
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my LG Phoenix 2, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
>>>>> 
>>>>> ------ Original message------
>>>>> From: C G Estabrook via Peace-discuss
>>>>> Date: Sun, Jul 29, 2018 8:57 AM
>>>>> To: kmedina67;
>>>>> Cc: Peace-discuss;
>>>>> Subject:Re: [Peace-discuss] Stop dividing AntiWar
>>>>> 
>>>>> A paraphrase:
>>>>> 
>>>>> "Until the conditions for Americans in the world (beset by terrorists) change, access to safe drone assassinations needs to be an option, if you value the life of Americans.
>>>>> 
>>>>> "If you don't value the life of Americans, then criminalize them." 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jul 29, 2018, at 12:59 AM, kmedina67 via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net <mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Until the conditions for women change, access to safe abortion needs to be an option, if you value the life of the woman. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> If you don't value the life of the woman,  then criminalize her. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> - Karen Medina
>>>>>> "The really great make you feel that you, too, can become great" - Mark Twain
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