[Peace-discuss] moderator help

Tue Jul 31 17:18:42 UTC 2018

I like your definition of your politics Karen.

I would describe mine similarly as ; I support, educate, and fight for whatever eliminates the sufferings of the poor / Working class while at the same time empowers the poor / Working class.

I can further add that I am ; anti-capitalist, anti-racist / misogynous, anti-authoritarian, and anti- war / empire.

David Johnson 

From: Peace-discuss [mailto:peace-discuss-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of kmedina67 via Peace-discuss
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I describe my politics:

I identify with the poor. Consider them my community. 

- Karen Medina

"The really great make you feel that you, too, can become great" - Mark Twain

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How would you describe your politics?

I say I’m a left-wing socialist (i.e, a sympahetic critic [from the left, not the right] of Marxism-Leninism, an anti-vanguardist), a Chomskyan anarchist. 

But that tends to start a discussion, not end it.  

Her’s an attempt I made to explain that, long ago, in connection with a favorite topic of yours:

https://www.counterpunch.org/2003/01/17/abortion-and-the-left/ 

—CGE

On Jul 30, 2018, at 11:13 AM, bjornsona at ameritech.net wrote:

I never said I was I liberal 

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From: C G Estabrook

Date: Mon, Jul 30, 2018 9:05 AM

To: Stuart Levy;

Cc: E. Wayne Johnson;bjornsona at ameritech.net;C G Estabrook via Peace-discuss;kmedina67;

Subject:Re: [Peace-discuss] moderator help

My argument is that the same concerns that lead us to condemn US killing in the Mideast for the profits of the 1% should animate our opposition to the killing of the unborn because the 1% are "concerned about population growth and particularly growth in populations that we don’t want to have too many of.”

To suppress such a discussion on an anti-war reading list is remarkably illiberal. —CGE

On Jul 30, 2018, at 8:40 AM, Stuart Levy via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:

Lots of right arguments go unheard, and many wrong ones flourish, or else why would the US still be supporting the bombardment of Yemen?

Look, I signed up for AWARE as an anti-war group.   I go with David and Ann and Karen to work the farmer's market twice a month, and to the monthly demonstrations, to express and work for opposition to US participation in wars around the world.   I've done that and other things for many years, as many of you know who have been doing it beside me.

I'm here on this list and others for discussion of opposition to war and what we can do about it.

I didn't sign up to AWARE, and neither did the several people who joined this list just last weekend, to join an anti-abortion (and-oh-by-the-way-never-mind-what-happens-to-the-mothers) group.

Anyone here who wishes to start or join such a group, run a market presence, hold demonstrations, carry on discussions, is welcome to.   But not on this list, please.

    Stuart

On 07/30/2018 09:38 AM, E. Wayne Johnson via Peace-discuss wrote:

If you are right, then the power of your argument should be sufficient
to squelch those who oppose your ideas, and you ought not need to appeal to 
a higher (Levitical) authority for narrowing of the limits of debate.

And when you are wrong, to admit the fault, delete the offending code, and reboot.

bjornsona--- via Peace-discuss wrote:

Dear Moderator :)  What is the  agreement for what people are allowed to publish here? I hate to lose subscribers because we go off topic. (Guilty, I know).  

Sent from my LG Phoenix 2, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone

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From: C G Estabrook via Peace-discuss

Date: Sun, Jul 29, 2018 8:57 AM

To: kmedina67;

Cc: Peace-discuss;

Subject:Re: [Peace-discuss] Stop dividing AntiWar

A paraphrase:

"Until the conditions for Americans in the world (beset by terrorists) change, access to safe drone assassinations needs to be an option, if you value the life of Americans. 

"If you don't value the life of Americans, then criminalize them." 

On Jul 29, 2018, at 12:59 AM, kmedina67 via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:

Until the conditions for women change, access to safe abortion needs to be an option, if you value the life of the woman. 

If you don't value the life of the woman,  then criminalize her. 

- Karen Medina

"The really great make you feel that you, too, can become great" - Mark Twain

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