[Peace-discuss] Don't send a Democrat to the House

Thu May 24 21:11:40 UTC 2018

Good luck with all of your agends Mr. Estabrook.

On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 4:58 PM David Enstrom <daenstrom at gmail.com> wrote:

> I know about this but that is YOUR language.  That language, which is not
> in line with the Illinois Green party OR the GPUS.
>
> Get back to your orginal point, we should vote for Rodney Davis because...
> If you realy want Davis elected Canvas in Calhoun County.  The audiance
> should be more receptive.
>
> Others on the list, if you haven't already I suggest you read the GPUS
> platform.
>
> On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 4:14 PM David Enstrom <daenstrom at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Carl you appear to be unaware of the GPUS platform on which Jill Stein
>> stood, and which you claimed to have supported a couple of posts ago.  You
>> seem also to be unaware of other developments in the GPUS.
>>
>> On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 3:54 PM C G Estabrook <cgestabrook at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> David, you seem unaware that the founding principles of the Prairie
>>> Greens explicitly recognize that there are a variety of views among Greens
>>> on abortion.
>>>
>>>
>>> On May 24, 2018, at 1:28 PM, David Enstrom <daenstrom at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Carl, you hold a few un-green values.  Advicate in your name for
>>> republicans and leave the GPUS out of it.  You have a history of attempting
>>> to insert your very un-green ideas into the GPUS and hurting the party in
>>> Champaign County in the process.  Your anti-choice sentiments, I
>>> understand, drove Greens away locally.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 1:50 PM C G Estabrook <cgestabrook at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> You’re not reading very closely, David.
>>>>
>>>> I was in fact defending the Green presidential candidate against Robert
>>>> Naiman, “a paid, professional Democrat progressive attacking the Green
>>>> Party and Jill Stein.”
>>>>
>>>> And there is in fact a debate among members and friends of the Green
>>>> party about what Greens should do this year in the 13th IL CD, where there
>>>> is no Green candidate - (1) abstain, (2) vote for the Democrat, or (3) vote
>>>> for the Republican. I take it your choice is (2).
>>>>
>>>> —CGE
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On May 24, 2018, at 12:35 PM, David Enstrom via Peace-discuss <
>>>> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Carl, I don't mind your campaigning for Reblicans on this site, but I
>>>> do very much mind you doing it "as a Green".
>>>>
>>>> I will say to the group that Carl's views  regarding the US House and
>>>> Rep. Davis do not represent the views of the GPUS at ANY level.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 9:01 AM C G Estabrook via Peace-discuss <
>>>> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Bob—
>>>>>
>>>>> My argument (as you know) has been that the Democrats shouldn’t be
>>>>> given control of the House.
>>>>>
>>>>> I’ll let list members judge if I am a "pathological liar.” My
>>>>> judgement is that you need to get your prescription refilled…
>>>>>
>>>>> And I’m not sure what you think “my little cult” is. I haven’t
>>>>> received instructions from Moscow in weeks now…
>>>>>
>>>>> As a Green (and former candidate for Congress) I supported and voted
>>>>> for Jill Stein in the last election.
>>>>>
>>>>> Your position was accurately captured by John Stauber, "author of
>>>>> 'Toxic Sludge is Good for You' and a leading expert on the politics of
>>>>> propaganda and disinformation. Stauber knows a smear when he sees one”
>>>>> (CounterPunch editor Jeffrey St Clair):
>>>>>
>>>>> “Robert Naiman epitomizes the attitude of the paid,
>>>>> professional Democrat progressives attacking the Green Party and Jill
>>>>> Stein. These shills see no hypocrisy in embracing a candidate supported by
>>>>> Wall Street, the Koch brothers and the neoconservatives who with Hillary
>>>>> lied America into attacking Iraq.  So there it is, Hillary is his champion
>>>>> while a woman running on the most progressive platform in America is just a
>>>>> damned Communist.  Rather than back down when he himself was exposed, he
>>>>> doubled down with a smear befitting the worst of American politics. Naiman
>>>>> is not an aberration however; indeed, he embodies the funded progressive
>>>>> elite who since 2000 have become a front group for the Democrats
>>>>> liberal oligarchs such as George Soros and his Democracy Alliance” <
>>>>> https://www.counterpunch.org/2016/08/19/roaming-charges-prime-time-green/
>>>>> >.
>>>>>
>>>>> You haven’t "set [yourself] a goal of convincing list members [and
>>>>> others] to 'support the Democrats’”? Really?
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,  Carl
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 24, 2018, at 1:45 AM, Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss <
>>>>> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I haven't set myself a goal of convincing list members to "support the
>>>>> Democrats" [*sic*].
>>>>>
>>>>> You, on the other hand, opened the thread with an appeal for list
>>>>> members to support Rodney Davis. That's the whole premise of your side of
>>>>> the discussion.
>>>>>
>>>>> You claim not to be advocating for electoral abstention, but I'm
>>>>> pretty sure that you're lying, based on the evidence at hand, even if I
>>>>> didn't already know you as a pathological liar, as most people here also
>>>>> know you.
>>>>>
>>>>> I can't imagine that you actually believe you can convince anyone here
>>>>> to support Rodney Davis. Everyone here knows who Rodney Davis is. People
>>>>> here are politically active, follow the news. Rodney Davis has made no
>>>>> secret of who he is. He's a Paul Ryan-Mitch McConnell Republican. Not a
>>>>> Rand Paul-Mike Lee-Justin Amash Republican. Rodney Davis always votes with
>>>>> Paul Ryan on war and peace. I'm well aware, because I've appealed to Rodney
>>>>> Davis many times to vote and advocate like Justin Amash, and have been
>>>>> rebuffed by Rodney Davis every time. Nobody here has tried harder than me
>>>>> to get Rodney Davis to vote and advocate more like Justin Amash.
>>>>>
>>>>> Therefore, you must have some other goal than the impossible goal of
>>>>> getting people here to support Rodney Davis. I suspect that your goal is to
>>>>> turn people off of practical engagement in electoral politics in the hopes
>>>>> that they will eventually join your little cult.
>>>>>
>>>>> In your lying fantasy story, my project is to get people to "support
>>>>> the Democrats," no matter what.
>>>>>
>>>>> But in the world of objective reality, nobody here has tried harder
>>>>> than me to get Rodney Davis to act on war and peace like a libertarian
>>>>> Republican.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would have been delighted if you ran against Rodney Davis in the
>>>>> Republican primary as a libertarian Republican. I publicly encouraged you
>>>>> to run, right here, on this list. You were too lazy.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 1:32 AM, C G Estabrook via Peace-discuss <
>>>>> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> And list members, raise your other hand (and put it over your eyes)
>>>>>> if Bob has convinced you to support the Democrats...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On May 23, 2018, at 6:07 PM, Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss <
>>>>>> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> List members, please raise your hand if Carl has convinced you to
>>>>>> vote for Rodney Davis.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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