[Peace-discuss] [Peace] Incident during demo this afternoon

[David Green]

Thanks David; it's hard to be prepared to be rational when a situation gets
out of control. It would have been easy for me to follow them at a safe
distance; but the 911 officer I had on the phone was adamant, and I
"followed orders." And of course situations like that create paradoxes in
terms of relying on the police.

On Sun, Nov 4, 2018 at 11:01 AM David Johnson via Peace-discuss <
peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:

> You should have followed them anyway at a " safe " distance and got their
> license plate number, as well as - make, color and model of their car.  And
> if possible, cell phone footage of the people and their vehicle, and people
> from AWARE who were there prepared to be witnesses.
> The cop intentionally gave you the wrong advise because now they can say
> that they don't know who to go after.
> Don't think the cops are unbiased. We learned that isn't the case back in
> 2003 at the demos  on North Prospect when the cops refused to do anything
> about the manager of the Tire store physically assaulting 82 year old Bob
> Wahlfeld.
> Live and learn.
> And I understand, if this has never happened to you before, one is not
> certain about what should be done. Not to mention the shock and disbelief
> of the incident itself.
>
> David J.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peace-discuss [mailto:peace-discuss-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On
> Behalf Of C G Estabrook via Peace-discuss
> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2018 6:17 AM
> To: David Green
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> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Incident during demo this afternoon
>
> And we think that our demonstrations have no effect…
>
> Sorry you had to put up with this, David, but it’s certainly worthwhile.
> Thanks.
>
>
> > On Nov 3, 2018, at 5:02 PM, David Green via Peace <
> peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> >
> > At the demonstration this afternoon I picked a sign that said "The
> military does not protect my "freedom."
> >
> > Sometime after 20:30, A middle aged woman and man crossed Neil to the
> southeast corner of Neil and Main where I was standing. She walked up to me
> and firmly shoved the sign, knocking me slightly backwards causing me to
> drop the sign.
> >
> > I accused her of assault, and while she and and the man tried to debate
> the issue with me, I called 911. The fellow implied that I was wimpish for
> caring about being shoved by a woman. They stood there while I asked the
> police to send a squad car over. While on the phone, I followed them down
> Main Street going east, and watched them turn into the PNC parking lot. I
> told the 911 officer that I was following them, and he told me not to. I
> obeyed his orders (I regret doing so).
> >
> > I went back to the corner and waited for a police officer, which took
> several minutes. An officer came and took my account of the incident and
> descriptions of them. He also of course took my personal info, including
> even my height and weight.
> >
> > He proceeded to drive around for a while and returned to report that he
> had not sighted them. No further action was advised or promised by him.
> >
> > David Green
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