[Peace-discuss] Anyone want this book?

Wed Nov 28 01:45:11 UTC 2018

back in the days when Illinois power and rea were carving red Illinois up into territories, IP hucksters would show ignorant defenseless hayseeds a wire and ask them the shape.  it's round.  REA   has square electricity.  how can you get square waves through a round wire?
such is roots of ameren.  everybody gets a damn good 'ammerin from them.  how is that any better than yer despised A-rabs?

me?  I'm not imagining that any boss gives a flyin flip at a rolling donut about my consumption behavior as a six sigma outlier.

On Nov 28, 2018, 7:48 AM, at 7:48 AM, "John W." <jbw292002 at gmail.com> wrote:
>If this reply was on Facebook I would Like it, or maybe even Heart it.
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>On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 5:37 PM Robert Naiman
><naiman at justforeignpolicy.org>
>wrote:
>
>I don't agree with your implicit assertion that your critique is
>> particularly relevant to my case. Maybe you don't either. Maybe
>you're just
>> being an asshole because you enjoy being an asshole and you have
>nothing
>> better to do with your time.
>>
>> A serious person does what they think they can do, and doesn't use
>fail to
>> do what they think they can do just because in theory they could do
>> something more.
>>
>> I do walk. I walk to the gym. Most of the shopping I do, I reach by
>> walking.
>>
>> It's true that my car requires energy when I use it, even if it is
>> electrical energy. If I use it locally, it's not gasoline from a gas
>> station. If it's electricity, the energy is produced by Ameren.
>That's a
>> mix. Some of it is wind. Some of it is natural gas. Some of it is
>nuclear.
>> We could agitate to improve the mix. But even the existing mix is
>better
>> for the earth and U.S. foreign policy than Saudi oil.
>>
>> What are you doing?
>>
>> ===
>>
>> Robert Reuel Naiman
>> Policy Director
>> Just Foreign Policy
>> www.justforeignpolicy.org
>> naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
>> (202) 448-2898 x1
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 4:42 PM E. Wayne Johnson via Peace-discuss <
>> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>>
>>> if you were serious Bob you'd walk or Run or ride a bike or maybe a
>mule.
>>>
>>> It takes energy to provide the juice for your Ford and Saudi oil
>>> contributes to its ubiquitous plastic and synthetic parts.  there's
>nothing
>>> in It that is not a downstream product of yer beloved Saudi oil.
>>>
>>> as my grandpa used to say...
>>> it's a damn Ford.
>>> On Nov 28, 2018, at 3:43 AM, Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss <
>>> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> For the record, I own a Ford. I bought a Ford because I wanted to
>have a
>>>> union-made, American car, that was also a plug-in hybrid, that I
>could plug
>>>> into an outlet in the garage, so I could use electricity instead of
>>>> gasoline to drive around town.
>>>>
>>>> I can drive my Ford all over Champaign-Urbana without using one
>drop of
>>>> gasoline fueling the Saudi regime's genocide in Yemen.
>>>>
>>>> We have a lot of evil to oppose. In general, it doesn't help us to
>>>> hyper-focus on opposing one evil at the expense of opposing all the
>others.
>>>>
>>>> ===
>>>>
>>>> Robert Reuel Naiman
>>>> Policy Director
>>>> Just Foreign Policy
>>>> www.justforeignpolicy.org
>>>> naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
>>>> (202) 448-2898 x1
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 11:58 AM John W. via Peace-discuss <
>>>> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 7:16 AM kmedina67 <kmedina67 at gmail.com>
>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  Brett Kaplan at the university might be interested in the Henry
>Ford
>>>>>> books. She does research and teaching related to community memory
>>>>>> specifically around the holocaust and anti-semitism.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, Karen, if you know her, ask her if she wants it.  Or forward
>her
>>>>> my e-mail.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I wonder how the set ended up outside the cancer treatment
>center.
>>>>>> That just makes me sick.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Kinda ironic, huh?  And that's more or less what I thought.  I
>took the
>>>>> book to get it out of general circulation.  Not that your average
>cancer
>>>>> patient would want to wade through it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> John, thanks.
>>>>>> I value you very much.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you, Karen.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> In the early 20 th century, there was a  library cataloging
>>>>>> classification called "The Jewish problem", if i remember
>correctly. It was
>>>>>> under social issues and social problems.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Karen Medina
>>>>>> "The really great make you feel that you, too, can become great"
>-
>>>>>> Mark Twain
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It's the American Dream!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> -------- Original message --------
>>>>>> From: Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss <
>>>>>> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
>>>>>> Date: 11/27/18 06:29 (GMT-06:00)
>>>>>> To: "John W." <jbw292002 at gmail.com>
>>>>>> Cc: Peace-discuss List <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Anyone want this book?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are there any markings in the books that indicate their ownership
>by
>>>>>> someone who lived in Champaign County?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My wife directs the Champaign County Historical Archive which is
>>>>>> housed at the Urbana Free Library. She might be interested if we
>can
>>>>>> document the ownership of the books by someone who lived in
>Champaign
>>>>>> County. There's stuff in the archives about the Klan in Champaign
>County,
>>>>>> showing how "upstanding members" of Champaign County society were
>members.
>>>>>> There's stuff in the archives about sundown towns in Champaign
>County,
>>>>>> towns where black people were not welcome under threat after
>sundown.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So maybe they'd be interested in a historical record of how
>someone in
>>>>>> Champaign County owned and was perhaps influenced by *The
>>>>>> International Jew, *which was a collection of Ford's antisemitic
>>>>>> articles from *The Dearborn Independent, *and which was cited by
>>>>>> leading Nazis, including Hitler himself, as a significant
>inspiration to
>>>>>> them, including at the Nuremberg trials.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ford was a hugely influential character in American history; it
>might
>>>>>> be useful to try to understand him better.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ford was a passionate anti-Semite and fiercely anti-union, even
>>>>>> compared to other industrialists at the time; Ford was the last
>automaker
>>>>>> to sign a contract with the UAW, and Ford did everything he could
>to
>>>>>> sabotage the negotiations, even threatening to break up the
>company rather
>>>>>> than accept a UAW contract; reportedly he relented after his wife
>>>>>> threatened to divorce him if he broke up the company.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On the other hand, Ford was genuinely concerned about the
>well-being
>>>>>> of workers, not only in his own company, but in the economy as a
>whole; he
>>>>>> reduced work hours and increased wages compared to other
>employers, partly
>>>>>> because he believed this would increase productivity, partly
>because he
>>>>>> believed that workers should have more leisure so they could buy
>more
>>>>>> stuff. The idea of the Model T was to build a car that workers
>could afford
>>>>>> to buy, so that owning and driving a car wouldn't be a luxury
>exclusive to
>>>>>> the super-rich. Ford hired black workers, more than others at the
>time. And
>>>>>> Ford was a pacifist. He believed that war was substantially
>caused by war
>>>>>> profiteers who sought to get rich from war production [we don't
>need to
>>>>>> look beyond the U.S. role in the Saudi war in Yemen to see how
>right he was
>>>>>> about that.] He also believed that war could be substantially
>prevented by
>>>>>> ensuring widespread prosperity, an idea that is now commonplace.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think we're better off overall acknowledging that all these
>ideas
>>>>>> existed in the same person and had huge influence for both good
>and evil;
>>>>>> and how the good ideas Ford had - and the fact that they were too
>rare at
>>>>>> the time - helped propel and give currency to the evil ideas. The
>parallels
>>>>>> to Trump are obvious. Many liberals are horrified by the currency
>of Trump
>>>>>> - as they should be - without taking responsibility for how the
>failures of
>>>>>> American liberalism helped give rise to Trump, by creating a
>vacuum which
>>>>>> Trump could fill. If we want Trumpism to fail, we have to fill
>the vacuum
>>>>>> with something else that appeals to some of the people who were
>seduced by
>>>>>> Trump, not simply denounce Trump.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Robert Reuel Naiman
>>>>>> Policy Director
>>>>>> Just Foreign Policy
>>>>>> www.justforeignpolicy.org
>>>>>> naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
>>>>>> (202) 448-2898 x1
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 3:52 AM John W. via Peace-discuss <
>>>>>> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Before I throw it in the trash, it occurred to me to wonder if
>any of
>>>>>>> you ultra-AWARE folks might want this book for your historical
>archives.  I
>>>>>>> found it among the free books on the bookshelf outside the
>Cancer Center at
>>>>>>> Carle.  I don't ordinarily throw books away, but I make an
>exception for
>>>>>>> books like this one:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "The International Jew: The World's Foremost Problem"  The
>Complete 4
>>>>>>> Volumes by Henry Ford.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Let me know if you want it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> John Wason
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