[Peace-discuss] Anyone want this book?

Tue Nov 27 23:48:50 UTC 2018

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On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 5:37 PM Robert Naiman <naiman at justforeignpolicy.org>
wrote:

I don't agree with your implicit assertion that your critique is
> particularly relevant to my case. Maybe you don't either. Maybe you're just
> being an asshole because you enjoy being an asshole and you have nothing
> better to do with your time.
>
> A serious person does what they think they can do, and doesn't use fail to
> do what they think they can do just because in theory they could do
> something more.
>
> I do walk. I walk to the gym. Most of the shopping I do, I reach by
> walking.
>
> It's true that my car requires energy when I use it, even if it is
> electrical energy. If I use it locally, it's not gasoline from a gas
> station. If it's electricity, the energy is produced by Ameren. That's a
> mix. Some of it is wind. Some of it is natural gas. Some of it is nuclear.
> We could agitate to improve the mix. But even the existing mix is better
> for the earth and U.S. foreign policy than Saudi oil.
>
> What are you doing?
>
> ===
>
> Robert Reuel Naiman
> Policy Director
> Just Foreign Policy
> www.justforeignpolicy.org
> naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
> (202) 448-2898 x1
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 4:42 PM E. Wayne Johnson via Peace-discuss <
> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>
>> if you were serious Bob you'd walk or Run or ride a bike or maybe a mule.
>>
>> It takes energy to provide the juice for your Ford and Saudi oil
>> contributes to its ubiquitous plastic and synthetic parts.  there's nothing
>> in It that is not a downstream product of yer beloved Saudi oil.
>>
>> as my grandpa used to say...
>> it's a damn Ford.
>> On Nov 28, 2018, at 3:43 AM, Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss <
>> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> For the record, I own a Ford. I bought a Ford because I wanted to have a
>>> union-made, American car, that was also a plug-in hybrid, that I could plug
>>> into an outlet in the garage, so I could use electricity instead of
>>> gasoline to drive around town.
>>>
>>> I can drive my Ford all over Champaign-Urbana without using one drop of
>>> gasoline fueling the Saudi regime's genocide in Yemen.
>>>
>>> We have a lot of evil to oppose. In general, it doesn't help us to
>>> hyper-focus on opposing one evil at the expense of opposing all the others.
>>>
>>> ===
>>>
>>> Robert Reuel Naiman
>>> Policy Director
>>> Just Foreign Policy
>>> www.justforeignpolicy.org
>>> naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
>>> (202) 448-2898 x1
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 11:58 AM John W. via Peace-discuss <
>>> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 7:16 AM kmedina67 <kmedina67 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  Brett Kaplan at the university might be interested in the Henry Ford
>>>>> books. She does research and teaching related to community memory
>>>>> specifically around the holocaust and anti-semitism.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Well, Karen, if you know her, ask her if she wants it.  Or forward her
>>>> my e-mail.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I wonder how the set ended up outside the cancer treatment center.
>>>>> That just makes me sick.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Kinda ironic, huh?  And that's more or less what I thought.  I took the
>>>> book to get it out of general circulation.  Not that your average cancer
>>>> patient would want to wade through it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> John, thanks.
>>>>> I value you very much.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thank you, Karen.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> In the early 20 th century, there was a  library cataloging
>>>>> classification called "The Jewish problem", if i remember correctly. It was
>>>>> under social issues and social problems.
>>>>>
>>>>> - Karen Medina
>>>>> "The really great make you feel that you, too, can become great" -
>>>>> Mark Twain
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It's the American Dream!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> -------- Original message --------
>>>>> From: Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss <
>>>>> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
>>>>> Date: 11/27/18 06:29 (GMT-06:00)
>>>>> To: "John W." <jbw292002 at gmail.com>
>>>>> Cc: Peace-discuss List <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Anyone want this book?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Are there any markings in the books that indicate their ownership by
>>>>> someone who lived in Champaign County?
>>>>>
>>>>> My wife directs the Champaign County Historical Archive which is
>>>>> housed at the Urbana Free Library. She might be interested if we can
>>>>> document the ownership of the books by someone who lived in Champaign
>>>>> County. There's stuff in the archives about the Klan in Champaign County,
>>>>> showing how "upstanding members" of Champaign County society were members.
>>>>> There's stuff in the archives about sundown towns in Champaign County,
>>>>> towns where black people were not welcome under threat after sundown.
>>>>>
>>>>> So maybe they'd be interested in a historical record of how someone in
>>>>> Champaign County owned and was perhaps influenced by *The
>>>>> International Jew, *which was a collection of Ford's antisemitic
>>>>> articles from *The Dearborn Independent, *and which was cited by
>>>>> leading Nazis, including Hitler himself, as a significant inspiration to
>>>>> them, including at the Nuremberg trials.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ford was a hugely influential character in American history; it might
>>>>> be useful to try to understand him better.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ford was a passionate anti-Semite and fiercely anti-union, even
>>>>> compared to other industrialists at the time; Ford was the last automaker
>>>>> to sign a contract with the UAW, and Ford did everything he could to
>>>>> sabotage the negotiations, even threatening to break up the company rather
>>>>> than accept a UAW contract; reportedly he relented after his wife
>>>>> threatened to divorce him if he broke up the company.
>>>>>
>>>>> On the other hand, Ford was genuinely concerned about the well-being
>>>>> of workers, not only in his own company, but in the economy as a whole; he
>>>>> reduced work hours and increased wages compared to other employers, partly
>>>>> because he believed this would increase productivity, partly because he
>>>>> believed that workers should have more leisure so they could buy more
>>>>> stuff. The idea of the Model T was to build a car that workers could afford
>>>>> to buy, so that owning and driving a car wouldn't be a luxury exclusive to
>>>>> the super-rich. Ford hired black workers, more than others at the time. And
>>>>> Ford was a pacifist. He believed that war was substantially caused by war
>>>>> profiteers who sought to get rich from war production [we don't need to
>>>>> look beyond the U.S. role in the Saudi war in Yemen to see how right he was
>>>>> about that.] He also believed that war could be substantially prevented by
>>>>> ensuring widespread prosperity, an idea that is now commonplace.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think we're better off overall acknowledging that all these ideas
>>>>> existed in the same person and had huge influence for both good and evil;
>>>>> and how the good ideas Ford had - and the fact that they were too rare at
>>>>> the time - helped propel and give currency to the evil ideas. The parallels
>>>>> to Trump are obvious. Many liberals are horrified by the currency of Trump
>>>>> - as they should be - without taking responsibility for how the failures of
>>>>> American liberalism helped give rise to Trump, by creating a vacuum which
>>>>> Trump could fill. If we want Trumpism to fail, we have to fill the vacuum
>>>>> with something else that appeals to some of the people who were seduced by
>>>>> Trump, not simply denounce Trump.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ===
>>>>>
>>>>> Robert Reuel Naiman
>>>>> Policy Director
>>>>> Just Foreign Policy
>>>>> www.justforeignpolicy.org
>>>>> naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
>>>>> (202) 448-2898 x1
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 3:52 AM John W. via Peace-discuss <
>>>>> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Before I throw it in the trash, it occurred to me to wonder if any of
>>>>>> you ultra-AWARE folks might want this book for your historical archives.  I
>>>>>> found it among the free books on the bookshelf outside the Cancer Center at
>>>>>> Carle.  I don't ordinarily throw books away, but I make an exception for
>>>>>> books like this one:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "The International Jew: The World's Foremost Problem"  The Complete 4
>>>>>> Volumes by Henry Ford.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Let me know if you want it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> John Wason
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