[Peace-discuss] Anyone want this book?

Tue Nov 27 23:37:30 UTC 2018

I don't agree with your implicit assertion that your critique is
particularly relevant to my case. Maybe you don't either. Maybe you're just
being an asshole because you enjoy being an asshole and you have nothing
better to do with your time.

A serious person does what they think they can do, and doesn't use fail to
do what they think they can do just because in theory they could do
something more.

I do walk. I walk to the gym. Most of the shopping I do, I reach by
walking.

It's true that my car requires energy when I use it, even if it is
electrical energy. If I use it locally, it's not gasoline from a gas
station. If it's electricity, the energy is produced by Ameren. That's a
mix. Some of it is wind. Some of it is natural gas. Some of it is nuclear.
We could agitate to improve the mix. But even the existing mix is better
for the earth and U.S. foreign policy than Saudi oil.

What are you doing?

===

Robert Reuel Naiman
Policy Director
Just Foreign Policy
www.justforeignpolicy.org
naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
(202) 448-2898 x1

On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 4:42 PM E. Wayne Johnson via Peace-discuss <
peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:

> if you were serious Bob you'd walk or Run or ride a bike or maybe a mule.
>
> It takes energy to provide the juice for your Ford and Saudi oil
> contributes to its ubiquitous plastic and synthetic parts.  there's nothing
> in It that is not a downstream product of yer beloved Saudi oil.
>
> as my grandpa used to say...
> it's a damn Ford.
> On Nov 28, 2018, at 3:43 AM, Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss <
> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> For the record, I own a Ford. I bought a Ford because I wanted to have a
>> union-made, American car, that was also a plug-in hybrid, that I could plug
>> into an outlet in the garage, so I could use electricity instead of
>> gasoline to drive around town.
>>
>> I can drive my Ford all over Champaign-Urbana without using one drop of
>> gasoline fueling the Saudi regime's genocide in Yemen.
>>
>> We have a lot of evil to oppose. In general, it doesn't help us to
>> hyper-focus on opposing one evil at the expense of opposing all the others.
>>
>> ===
>>
>> Robert Reuel Naiman
>> Policy Director
>> Just Foreign Policy
>> www.justforeignpolicy.org
>> naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
>> (202) 448-2898 x1
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 11:58 AM John W. via Peace-discuss <
>> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 7:16 AM kmedina67 <kmedina67 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>  Brett Kaplan at the university might be interested in the Henry Ford
>>>> books. She does research and teaching related to community memory
>>>> specifically around the holocaust and anti-semitism.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Well, Karen, if you know her, ask her if she wants it.  Or forward her
>>> my e-mail.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> I wonder how the set ended up outside the cancer treatment center. That
>>>> just makes me sick.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Kinda ironic, huh?  And that's more or less what I thought.  I took the
>>> book to get it out of general circulation.  Not that your average cancer
>>> patient would want to wade through it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> John, thanks.
>>>> I value you very much.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you, Karen.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> --
>>>> In the early 20 th century, there was a  library cataloging
>>>> classification called "The Jewish problem", if i remember correctly. It was
>>>> under social issues and social problems.
>>>>
>>>> - Karen Medina
>>>> "The really great make you feel that you, too, can become great" - Mark
>>>> Twain
>>>>
>>>
>>> It's the American Dream!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> -------- Original message --------
>>>> From: Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
>>>>
>>>> Date: 11/27/18 06:29 (GMT-06:00)
>>>> To: "John W." <jbw292002 at gmail.com>
>>>> Cc: Peace-discuss List <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Anyone want this book?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Are there any markings in the books that indicate their ownership by
>>>> someone who lived in Champaign County?
>>>>
>>>> My wife directs the Champaign County Historical Archive which is housed
>>>> at the Urbana Free Library. She might be interested if we can document the
>>>> ownership of the books by someone who lived in Champaign County. There's
>>>> stuff in the archives about the Klan in Champaign County, showing how
>>>> "upstanding members" of Champaign County society were members. There's
>>>> stuff in the archives about sundown towns in Champaign County, towns where
>>>> black people were not welcome under threat after sundown.
>>>>
>>>> So maybe they'd be interested in a historical record of how someone in
>>>> Champaign County owned and was perhaps influenced by *The
>>>> International Jew, *which was a collection of Ford's antisemitic
>>>> articles from *The Dearborn Independent, *and which was cited by
>>>> leading Nazis, including Hitler himself, as a significant inspiration to
>>>> them, including at the Nuremberg trials.
>>>>
>>>> Ford was a hugely influential character in American history; it might
>>>> be useful to try to understand him better.
>>>>
>>>> Ford was a passionate anti-Semite and fiercely anti-union, even
>>>> compared to other industrialists at the time; Ford was the last automaker
>>>> to sign a contract with the UAW, and Ford did everything he could to
>>>> sabotage the negotiations, even threatening to break up the company rather
>>>> than accept a UAW contract; reportedly he relented after his wife
>>>> threatened to divorce him if he broke up the company.
>>>>
>>>> On the other hand, Ford was genuinely concerned about the well-being of
>>>> workers, not only in his own company, but in the economy as a whole; he
>>>> reduced work hours and increased wages compared to other employers, partly
>>>> because he believed this would increase productivity, partly because he
>>>> believed that workers should have more leisure so they could buy more
>>>> stuff. The idea of the Model T was to build a car that workers could afford
>>>> to buy, so that owning and driving a car wouldn't be a luxury exclusive to
>>>> the super-rich. Ford hired black workers, more than others at the time. And
>>>> Ford was a pacifist. He believed that war was substantially caused by war
>>>> profiteers who sought to get rich from war production [we don't need to
>>>> look beyond the U.S. role in the Saudi war in Yemen to see how right he was
>>>> about that.] He also believed that war could be substantially prevented by
>>>> ensuring widespread prosperity, an idea that is now commonplace.
>>>>
>>>> I think we're better off overall acknowledging that all these ideas
>>>> existed in the same person and had huge influence for both good and evil;
>>>> and how the good ideas Ford had - and the fact that they were too rare at
>>>> the time - helped propel and give currency to the evil ideas. The parallels
>>>> to Trump are obvious. Many liberals are horrified by the currency of Trump
>>>> - as they should be - without taking responsibility for how the failures of
>>>> American liberalism helped give rise to Trump, by creating a vacuum which
>>>> Trump could fill. If we want Trumpism to fail, we have to fill the vacuum
>>>> with something else that appeals to some of the people who were seduced by
>>>> Trump, not simply denounce Trump.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ===
>>>>
>>>> Robert Reuel Naiman
>>>> Policy Director
>>>> Just Foreign Policy
>>>> www.justforeignpolicy.org
>>>> naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
>>>> (202) 448-2898 x1
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 3:52 AM John W. via Peace-discuss <
>>>> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Before I throw it in the trash, it occurred to me to wonder if any of
>>>>> you ultra-AWARE folks might want this book for your historical archives.  I
>>>>> found it among the free books on the bookshelf outside the Cancer Center at
>>>>> Carle.  I don't ordinarily throw books away, but I make an exception for
>>>>> books like this one:
>>>>>
>>>>> "The International Jew: The World's Foremost Problem"  The Complete 4
>>>>> Volumes by Henry Ford.
>>>>>
>>>>> Let me know if you want it.
>>>>>
>>>>> John Wason
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