[Peace-discuss] Anyone want this book?

Tue Nov 27 22:42:01 UTC 2018

if you were serious Bob you'd walk or Run or ride a bike or maybe a mule.

It takes energy to provide the juice for your Ford and Saudi oil contributes to its ubiquitous plastic and synthetic parts.  there's nothing in It that is not a downstream product of yer beloved Saudi oil.

as my grandpa used to say... 
it's a damn Ford.

On Nov 28, 2018, 3:43 AM, at 3:43 AM, Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>For the record, I own a Ford. I bought a Ford because I wanted to have
>a
>union-made, American car, that was also a plug-in hybrid, that I could
>plug
>into an outlet in the garage, so I could use electricity instead of
>gasoline to drive around town.
>
>I can drive my Ford all over Champaign-Urbana without using one drop of
>gasoline fueling the Saudi regime's genocide in Yemen.
>
>We have a lot of evil to oppose. In general, it doesn't help us to
>hyper-focus on opposing one evil at the expense of opposing all the
>others.
>
>===
>
>Robert Reuel Naiman
>Policy Director
>Just Foreign Policy
>www.justforeignpolicy.org
>naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
>(202) 448-2898 x1
>
>
>
>
>
>On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 11:58 AM John W. via Peace-discuss <
>peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 7:16 AM kmedina67 <kmedina67 at gmail.com>
>wrote:
>>
>>  Brett Kaplan at the university might be interested in the Henry Ford
>>> books. She does research and teaching related to community memory
>>> specifically around the holocaust and anti-semitism.
>>>
>>
>> Well, Karen, if you know her, ask her if she wants it.  Or forward
>her my
>> e-mail.
>>
>>
>>
>>> I wonder how the set ended up outside the cancer treatment center.
>That
>>> just makes me sick.
>>>
>>
>> Kinda ironic, huh?  And that's more or less what I thought.  I took
>the
>> book to get it out of general circulation.  Not that your average
>cancer
>> patient would want to wade through it.
>>
>>
>>
>>> John, thanks.
>>> I value you very much.
>>>
>>
>> Thank you, Karen.
>>
>>
>>
>>> --
>>> In the early 20 th century, there was a  library cataloging
>>> classification called "The Jewish problem", if i remember correctly.
>It was
>>> under social issues and social problems.
>>>
>>> - Karen Medina
>>> "The really great make you feel that you, too, can become great" -
>Mark
>>> Twain
>>>
>>
>> It's the American Dream!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> -------- Original message --------
>>> From: Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss
><peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
>>> Date: 11/27/18 06:29 (GMT-06:00)
>>> To: "John W." <jbw292002 at gmail.com>
>>> Cc: Peace-discuss List <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Anyone want this book?
>>>
>>>
>>> Are there any markings in the books that indicate their ownership by
>>> someone who lived in Champaign County?
>>>
>>> My wife directs the Champaign County Historical Archive which is
>housed
>>> at the Urbana Free Library. She might be interested if we can
>document the
>>> ownership of the books by someone who lived in Champaign County.
>There's
>>> stuff in the archives about the Klan in Champaign County, showing
>how
>>> "upstanding members" of Champaign County society were members.
>There's
>>> stuff in the archives about sundown towns in Champaign County, towns
>where
>>> black people were not welcome under threat after sundown.
>>>
>>> So maybe they'd be interested in a historical record of how someone
>in
>>> Champaign County owned and was perhaps influenced by *The
>International
>>> Jew, *which was a collection of Ford's antisemitic articles from
>*The
>>> Dearborn Independent, *and which was cited by leading Nazis,
>including
>>> Hitler himself, as a significant inspiration to them, including at
>the
>>> Nuremberg trials.
>>>
>>> Ford was a hugely influential character in American history; it
>might be
>>> useful to try to understand him better.
>>>
>>> Ford was a passionate anti-Semite and fiercely anti-union, even
>compared
>>> to other industrialists at the time; Ford was the last automaker to
>sign a
>>> contract with the UAW, and Ford did everything he could to sabotage
>the
>>> negotiations, even threatening to break up the company rather than
>accept a
>>> UAW contract; reportedly he relented after his wife threatened to
>divorce
>>> him if he broke up the company.
>>>
>>> On the other hand, Ford was genuinely concerned about the well-being
>of
>>> workers, not only in his own company, but in the economy as a whole;
>he
>>> reduced work hours and increased wages compared to other employers,
>partly
>>> because he believed this would increase productivity, partly because
>he
>>> believed that workers should have more leisure so they could buy
>more
>>> stuff. The idea of the Model T was to build a car that workers could
>afford
>>> to buy, so that owning and driving a car wouldn't be a luxury
>exclusive to
>>> the super-rich. Ford hired black workers, more than others at the
>time. And
>>> Ford was a pacifist. He believed that war was substantially caused
>by war
>>> profiteers who sought to get rich from war production [we don't need
>to
>>> look beyond the U.S. role in the Saudi war in Yemen to see how right
>he was
>>> about that.] He also believed that war could be substantially
>prevented by
>>> ensuring widespread prosperity, an idea that is now commonplace.
>>>
>>> I think we're better off overall acknowledging that all these ideas
>>> existed in the same person and had huge influence for both good and
>evil;
>>> and how the good ideas Ford had - and the fact that they were too
>rare at
>>> the time - helped propel and give currency to the evil ideas. The
>parallels
>>> to Trump are obvious. Many liberals are horrified by the currency of
>Trump
>>> - as they should be - without taking responsibility for how the
>failures of
>>> American liberalism helped give rise to Trump, by creating a vacuum
>which
>>> Trump could fill. If we want Trumpism to fail, we have to fill the
>vacuum
>>> with something else that appeals to some of the people who were
>seduced by
>>> Trump, not simply denounce Trump.
>>>
>>>
>>> ===
>>>
>>> Robert Reuel Naiman
>>> Policy Director
>>> Just Foreign Policy
>>> www.justforeignpolicy.org
>>> naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
>>> (202) 448-2898 x1
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 3:52 AM John W. via Peace-discuss <
>>> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Before I throw it in the trash, it occurred to me to wonder if any
>of
>>>> you ultra-AWARE folks might want this book for your historical
>archives.  I
>>>> found it among the free books on the bookshelf outside the Cancer
>Center at
>>>> Carle.  I don't ordinarily throw books away, but I make an
>exception for
>>>> books like this one:
>>>>
>>>> "The International Jew: The World's Foremost Problem"  The Complete
>4
>>>> Volumes by Henry Ford.
>>>>
>>>> Let me know if you want it.
>>>>
>>>> John Wason
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