[Peace-discuss] Peace-discuss Digest, Vol 176, Issue 13

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more stuff...I don't fear nor consider whether or not I'm branded an anti-Semite. I'm aware that it is just a Jewish contrived shield to protect them from criticism. It works well for most, but not all.I'm sure CGE will counter everything I've said with the words of the well-known 9/11 Truth gatekeeper Noam Chomsky, that is if he chooses to enter the conversation.   On Monday, September 3, 2018, 6:00:43 AM CST, peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net <peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net> wrote:  

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  1. Re: Peace-discuss Digest, Vol 176, Issue 12 (Stephen Francis)

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"What's wrong with this picture?... great question.For the umpteenth time:
The controlled demolition of the WTC was just an incremental step in transitioning the world from the Cold War to the 'War on Terror'...just another instance of attempts to gain control over world resources (wealth) by the 'elite'.This event is typical of hundreds before it that go back to the 18th Century...beginning with British (European) colonialism.Creating 'boogeymen' is an important marker...in this case Arabs (hijackers) and transitioning into contrived Islamophobia.To analyze this latest move, just use normal forensic techniques of 'means, motive, and opportunity (MMO)' and qui bono.There are thousands of inconsistencies in the official version of 9/11, as is also the case for JFK and the Holocaust.But to stick to 9/11, Building 7's destruction is glaring and the reason Architects & Engineers and Professor Hulsey (UofAlaska) focused on it.  These are active investigations 16 years after the fact. They are nearly impossible to refute scientifically.... only politically for the obvious reasons.These organizations have put incontrovertible doubt about the 'official story' that blames Arabs. If that story is wrong then the question becomes what is the correct version of events.There probably were Arab hijackers, but it can be proven that they were cased by Israeli operatives before 9/11 which bolsters the idea that the real perpetrators of 9/11 piggybacked their operation on a ragtag bunch of rebels who had no ability to breach the security of the WTC with bombs of any sort.MMO immediately conjures up the possibility of a false flag events by Israel, of which there are many examples (Iraq WMD, USS Liberty, Lavon, King David Hotel). If it was a false flag then the US, Israel, Britain, and Saudi Arabia are the best fit. Qui bono just strengthens the argument. China / Russia... don't measure up...nor does any other countries.The creation of the State of Israel is undoubtedly one of the most controversial events of the 20th Century and it continues to boil. Looking at Israel as complicit in 9/11 is a simple exercise, but is complicated by massive amounts of lies and propaganda.To cast more doubt on the official and bolster the view that Israel (Netanyahu Zionists) was a kingpin in this operation, go no further than New York itself.Jews controlled virtually all aspects of the NYC 9/11 component. They owned the lease on the WTC (Silverstein), controlled the Port Authority (Eisenberg), led the emergency response (Giuliani), controlled the nuclear event response, controlled the legal response including insurance settlements (Mukasey), victim compensation (Feinberg), victim lawsuits (Hellerstein), all of the four companies that participated in the cleanup were Jewish-owned), rebuilding of the Pentagon (Amec), they controlled the Memorial design (NYC and Pentagon, they controlled the Pentagon (Dov Zakheim, comptroller, Cheney and Rumsfeld were Neocon philo-semites... military secrets were passed to Israel by Pentagon Jewish operatives Rosen and Weissman.... Israeli Art Students cased the hijackers, Neoconservatives (Wolfowitz, Perle, Feith all Jews) controlled the War Department of the Pentagon, ... the PNAC was dominated by Neoconservatives,....neoconservatism was created by Jews (Kristol, Kagan...etc)... all major think tanks concerning the invasion of Iraq were led by neocon Jews, Carl Bernstein (Jew) characterized the invasion of Iraq as a Jewish/Zionist op....The 700+ page Patriot Act was essentially completed far before 9/11 ...ready and waiting for that day's events.I have just scratched the surface...this is just the political angleif you look at the physical evidence, it becomes even more obvious....There is all sorts of evidence that the WTC was being prepared for demolition before 9/11... including unprecedented power downs, removal of security operations,...construction activities on empty floors and Israeli Art Students pre-demolition activities...and on the day of 9/11 a plethora of reports of explosions before the 'planes' hit...there were actually no planes...just video fakery.I mentioned in earlier posts a MS Excel database with 2000 pieces of information bolstering the above.In a court of law or scientific inquiry, it only takes one piece of evidence to discredit a theory. In the case of 9/11 there are thousands...only political forces can overcome this evidence. The cabal of US / Israel / Britain / Saudi Arabia did 9/11 to profit from war and control the ME....

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Three buildings in NYC collapsed into their own footprints.
Two supposedly from an airplane smashing into them and one for no 
apparent reason at all (wtc7)

A plane in pennsylvania and one near the pentagon seemed to vanish.

The US declared war on a country obviously not involved,
and the federal government took advantage of the situation to
seize much power.

What's wrong with this picture?

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> your comments are typical....and do nothing to show that the 
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> rather than attacking a specific group because of their alleged 
> character or lack thereof it would be more effective interesting and 
> challenging to attack the attributes rather than the group. once they 
> call you an antisemite or a racist or a bigot it becomes a reason to 
> turn you off and ignore you. On 2018-09-02 20:18 , Stephen Francis via 
> Peace-discuss Wrote: additional stuff... There's an interesting and 
> important rift growing between Israel and American Jews, where the 
> American counterpart, to some degree, actually embraces BDS and are 
> anti-occupation. This can only mean, at the deepest levels, where 
> political labels are inadequate and misleading and that more 
> fundamental concepts are in play. Those fundamentals probably have 
> something to do with the inherent decency, fairness, and humaneness of 
> humans. Evolution has instilled this in us and actually pops out 
> occasionally.  There are actually Jews who are against the slaughter 
> of Palestinians. There really were hundreds of Palestinian villages. 
> They were all bull-dozed into non-existence. The Palestinians did 
> nothing did deserve their plight. It's utterly sickening watching 
> their annihilation. 
> http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/07/ifnotnow-birthright-ramah-bds-israel.html 
> <http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/07/ifnotnow-birthright-ramah-bds-israel.html%20>Palestine 
> Remembered, al-Nakba 1948- פלשתינה-فلسطين في الذاكرة Palestine 
> Remembered, al-Nakba 1948- פלשתינה-فلسطين في الذاكرة Palestine 
> Remembered (فلسطين في الذاكرة): The Home Of All Ethnically Cleansed 
> Palestinians. Palestine Picture be... On Sunday, September 2, 2018, 
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> Francis <stephenf1113 at yahoo.com <mailto:stephenf1113 at yahoo.com>> To: 
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> <mailto:2118585807.84826.1535886919703 at mail.yahoo.com>> Content-Type: 
> text/plain; charset="utf-8" We do actually agree on many subjects 
> pertaining to antiwar and racism.A recent post, maybe by CGE, drew 
> parallels between Corbyn's and Trump's battles with the establishment 
> (in US, the Dems, Libs, MSM, deep state). I agree with this and 
> believe it's an immensely important bellwether in determining the 
> future direction of world politics. In Britain and the US, the 
> establishment is having a difficult time pinning the antiSemitic, 
> racist brands on Corbyn and Trump and their supporters, respectively. 
> The midterm elections will best define the outcome of these efforts. 
> Corbyn won't sign off on the full IHRA definition because he, in part, 
> would betray a large segment of his followers and subsequently lose 
> power, just as in America, Trump's success in fighting off the Dem / 
> Clinton warmongers is his Twitter habit and highly successful campaign 
> rallies that have seen eight of the last nine candidates that he's 
> supported win their seats. CNN, a bastion of Netanyahu Zionism and 
> anti-Trumpism, has ever increasingly dismal ratings. The deep state 
> establishment has had to expose its flanks and true motivations in 
> their attempt to hold off Corbyn and Trump....and their millions of 
> followers. A significant portion of Corbyn's supporters sees the full 
> IHRA for what it is....that being an open license to murder 
> Palestinians with impunity and censor any criticism of Israel. And,  a 
> plethora of laws against Holocaust revisionism in Europe has been very 
> successful in censoring debate, but the tactic is showing signs of 
> weakening.  Merkel and many other EU leaders have had to compromise 
> with nationalistic movements, which they try to characterize as 
> NeoNazis, but all that does is embolden those that see the light. 
> Ultimately, nationalism is probably more a form of natural 
> territoriality than anything else and thus impossible to hijack and 
> twist its meaning. All wars are banker's wars and Jews and 
> philo-semites have dominating banking since the invention of money. 
> There is a weight of proof of this, it's just never mentioned in the 
> MSM for obvious reasons. Jews have been highly successful at 
> legislating censor of any opposition to their behaviors, but, because 
> of the internet and the demise of the MSM, it is becoming a failing 
> enterprise. They try to brand it racism, but that is illogical once a 
> full recognition of Jewish history is brought to light. 
> So-called 'Antisemitism' is really just abhorrence of unethical or 
> criminal activity and is not rooted in things people cannot change 
> such as skin color, sexual preference.  In the early 20th century it 
> was common to refer to Jews as a race, but that has disappeared 
> because of scientific recognition that this was an error. Once people 
> really dig into the details why they were expelled from over 100 
> countries since Biblical Times and start to question the official 
> interpretations of Jewish history, the walls start crumbling down. 
> Corbyn and Trump are at the forefront of a new era of politics. Will 
> anti-Semite Jeremy Corbyn be the next British PM? - The Boston Globe | 
> | | |  |  | | | | |  | Will anti-Semite Jeremy Corbyn be the next 
> British PM? - The Boston Globe Michael A. Cohen - Columnist The 
> British Labour party leader’s anti-Semitism has become a stench too 
> powerful to ignore. | | | On Saturday, September 1, 2018, 8:26:24 PM 
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> <ewj at pigs.ag <mailto:ewj at pigs.ag>> To: Stephen Francis via 
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" whatsa tha point debating 
> those things that are generally agreed upon. entropy exists. 
> politicians lie. americans kinda expect that. the electorate is stupid 
> and sheep-like democrats hate the first ten amendments. those in power 
> do incredible stunts to keep it. debate is fun, though. On 2018-09-01 
> 23:13 , Stephen Francis via Peace-discuss Wrote: No takers...on a 
> debate... I think it is much more because of fear than indifference... 
> My international presence refutes the idea that I'm insignificant. 
> There's no fear of you looking badly in the encounter, for you have no 
> audience...other than internally. Be brave, You can do it. On 
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> Peace-discuss digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Prof James Fetzer 
> prints Alex Jones article by Stephen Francis (Stephen Francis) 
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> Message: 1 Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2018 13:48:52 +0000 (UTC) From: Stephen 
> Francis <stephenf1113 at yahoo.com <mailto:stephenf1113 at yahoo.com>> To: 
> Roger Helbig <rwhelbig at gmail.com <mailto:rwhelbig at gmail.com>>, C G 
> Estabrook <cgestabrook at gmail.com <mailto:cgestabrook at gmail.com>> Cc: 
> Peace-discuss <Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net 
> <mailto:Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>> Subject: Re: 
> [Peace-discuss] Prof James Fetzer prints Alex Jones article by Stephen 
> Francis Message-ID: <1790054352.1890967.1535809732271 at mail.yahoo.com 
> <mailto:1790054352.1890967.1535809732271 at mail.yahoo.com>> 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" My challenge to debate 
> anyone on Peace-Discuss...on CGE's show remains in effect.It would 
> vastly increase the viewership of that show. It would be your chance 
> to make me look bad if you think you could get away with it...it's 
> possible...I'm not very effective on videos...I've noticed that those 
> videos only receive less than a handful of viewers...do I have any 
> takers? On Saturday, September 1, 2018, 7:19:51 AM CST, Stephen 
> Francis <stephenf1113 at yahoo.com <mailto:stephenf1113 at yahoo.com>> 
> wrote:  One of the reasons that I have 40-60,000 pages downloaded per 
> month on my website is pages like the one linked below...It contains 
> an MS Excel spreadsheet, that I created, with 2000 rows of 
> corroborated facts about 9/11.If the hijackers didn't do 9/11, then 
> who did...the answer is cabal of US, British and Israeli 
> criminals....9-11 TRUTH SEARCH ENGINE, Zionists/Neocons nuked wtc And 
> this is backed up by professional and academic organizations. see 
> below | | | |  |  | | | | | | 9-11 TRUTH SEARCH ENGINE, 
> Zionists/Neocons nuked wtc | | | The accusation that there are no 
> provable facts concerning 9/11 is just propaganda and methods used to 
> shut down the debate.Over 3000 architects and engineers have 
> scientifically proven the WTC's destruction could not have happened 
> according to the 'official' version.Architects & Engineers for 9/11 
> Truth | | | |  |  | | | | |  | Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth | 
> | | Professor Hulsey (forensics engineer, dept head) of UofAlaska did 
> a two-year study of WTC Building 7 and came up with the same 
> conclusion...WTC 7 Evaluation | | | |  |  | | | | |  | WTC 7 
> Evaluation WTC 7 EVALUATION | | | These are professional scientific 
> unrefutable factual studies...that make your statements about no facts 
> rubbishIsrael Nuked WTC On Saturday, September 1, 2018, 4:17:42 AM 
> CST, C G Estabrook <cgestabrook at gmail.com 
> <mailto:cgestabrook at gmail.com>> wrote:  It would be flabbergasting if 
> Francis’ farrago of fantasy and fear didn’t contain even one fact, and 
> I think I've found it (no one can be wrong all the time), viz. and to 
> wit: > The Democratic Party ... have lost power and are pulling out 
> all stops to regain it. Its Political Correctness wing is somewhat 
> familiar [“deplorables”], but recent illegal activities (Fisagate) and 
> this full-bore double-standard censorship is a new development and a 
> sign of desperation. And here’s a specific for this madness (the poets 
> often get there first): 
> <https://consentfactory.org/2018/06/15/awaiting-the-putin-nazi-apocalypse/>. 
> —CGE > On Sep 1, 2018, at 4:22 AM, Roger Helbig via Peace-discuss 
> <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net 
> <mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>> wrote: > > Neither 
> Holocaust Denial nor 9/11 Truth are "  It's just forensic criminal 
> investigation based on facts. It's impossible to set up the mechanisms 
> to try to sort out interpretations of those facts as to whether they 
> are true or not." - these are about as "forensic" as a Trump Tweet!  
> Just like Trump, they are not free to make up their own facts. > > 
> Roger > > > > On Wed, Aug 22, 2018 at 5:49 AM Stephen Francis 
> <stephenf1113 at yahoo.com <mailto:stephenf1113 at yahoo.com>> wrote: > The 
> article is mostly concerned with Cultural Marxism and its insidious 
> and pervasive influence on our culture and academia. It's origins 
> (Jewish, Frankfurt School), reach and influence are all buried and 
> taboo topics in the MSM. > > Much of what Jones talks about has 
> fundamental roots in that Cultural Marxism which IS Multiculturalism 
> (unfettered immigration), Political Correctness (censorship), BLM, 
> Taking a knee...etc. The Democratic Party's strategies are rife with 
> Cultural Marxist techniques. Hillary Clinton was mentored by Saul 
> Alinsky, an avowed Cultural Marxist. That's the point I'm trying to 
> make. They are not interested in the rights and welfare of 
> citizens...it's all about power and taking down Trump. > > Alex Jones 
> is a nut case as I pointed out. His net effect on the so-called 
> conspiracy theory world is probably negative. > Facebook was correct 
> in banning Jones on the basis of threats to Mueller and Muslim hate 
> speech.  The problem is that Facebook, Google, MSM have a double 
> standard in these actions.  They demonstrably attack conservative 
> content while ignoring like 'liberal', Left instances. It's called 
> shadow-banning. Conservatives in Congress are taking action to attempt 
> to stop it....good luck with that. > > They (big social media) haven't 
> banned many so-called 'conspiracy theories' like 9/11 Truth, JFK 
> assassination or Holocaust hoax content because ultimately it is not 
> 'hate speech'. It's just forensic criminal investigation based on 
> facts. It's impossible to set up the mechanisms to try to sort out 
> interpretations of those facts as to whether they are true or 
> not...and in doing so it gives these subjects airtime...a familiar 
> taboo. > > As you say, Facebook is a private company not subject to 
> the First Amendment, but there are practical limits to how they can 
> police their content. 9/11, JFK and the Holocaust run into these 
> limits. > > thus the following Facebook excerpt. > > " .... upon 
> review, we have taken it (Alex Jones) down for glorifying violence, 
> which violates our graphic violence policy, and using dehumanizing 
> language to describe people who are transgender, Muslims and 
> immigrants, which violates our hate speech policies." All four Pages 
> have been unpublished for repeated violations of Community Standards 
> and accumulating too many strikes. While much of the discussion around 
> Infowars has been related to false news, which is a serious issue that 
> we are working to address by demoting links marked wrong by fact 
> checkers and suggesting additional content, none of the violations 
> that spurred today’s removals were related to this." > 
> https://newsroom.fb.com/news/2018/08/enforcing-our-community-standards/ 
> <https://newsroom.fb.com/news/2018/08/enforcing-our-community-standards/%20>> 
> > violations > > > > > On Wednesday, August 22, 2018, 6:01:53 AM CST, 
> Roger Helbig <rwhelbig at gmail.com <mailto:rwhelbig at gmail.com>> wrote: > 
> > > Since Fetzer is one of his nut case minions like Mr Francis, I am 
> sure he supports Alex Jones's right to lie to millions about pretty 
> much everything in order to foster various conspiracies!  It is too 
> bad that Fetzer once was a professor of some renown.  There are number 
> of great answers posted to Quora that explain much of what Fetzer and 
> Francis refuse to believe. - Facebook is not subject to the First 
> Amendment - it is a private company, not the Government!  Neither is 
> Google/YouTube.  > > Roger Helbig > > By the way Mr Francis, thought 
> about you while watching the latter part of GI Jews on PBS - 
> https://www.pbs.org/wnet/gi-jews/ 
> <https://www.pbs.org/wnet/gi-jews/%20>Fetzer should watch too.  There 
> really was a Holocaust. > > On Wed, Aug 22, 2018 at 4:47 AM Stephen 
> Francis via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net 
> <mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>> wrote: > POSTED BY JIM 
> FETZER AT 7:25 PM > > 
> https://jamesfetzer.blogspot.com/2018/08/stephen-francis-qualified-support-for.html 
> <https://jamesfetzer.blogspot.com/2018/08/stephen-francis-qualified-support-for.html%20>> 
> > TUESDAY, AUGUST 21, 2018 > Stephen Francis: Qualified Support for 
> Alex Jones > > Stephen Francis > > > The First Amendment and 
> Censorship > > Alex Jones has returned to the center of the free 
> speech debate with a vengeance. It is vitally important to dig into 
> the fine details of why the major social media and content sites 
> suspended and then banned him. All sides of the arguments contain 
> evidence of hidden motives and agendas. > > At first glance, this 
> whole episode seems to somewhat mirror the efforts of the anti-Trump 
> forces (#Resistance) to connect him to the Alt-Right, neo-Nazis and 
> (staged) anti-Semites as they did in Charlottesville. None of their 
> varied attempts to do this have worked mainly because the rank and 
> file Trump / Jones supporters are mainstream non-radical conservatives 
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