[Peace-discuss] [Peace] 'News from Neptune' for Friday 14 September 2018

[David Green]

Max Schactman is certainly seen as a problematic figure on the left in
relation to his form of anti-Communism. I don't know if that's related to
the ISO situation currently, but in relation to Stalin/Assad, it seems to
rhyme.

On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 8:28 AM Karen Aram <karenaram at hotmail.com> wrote:

>  This article on Counterpunch by Andrew Stewart, is problematic, but it
> makes a good point. We shouldn’t rely only upon Wikipedia for information
> related to those leaders or vanguard members of organizations that have so
> much influence on so many today.
>
> I would like to know more about Max Schatzman, credited with being the
> founder of the current ISO. His anti-communist, anti-Stalin opinions
> provided by the Counterpunch article, is important as it may explain why
> the ISO today is negative towards groups like the PSL and “anti-war
> activists” referring to them as Assadists in relation to Syria. They focus
> very little on foreign policy, is this the legacy of Schatzman?
>
>
> On Sep 16, 2018, at 19:04, David Green via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net>
> wrote:
>
> I would add this article, referred to on the program, although it's
> problematic especially regarding Harrington.
>
>
> https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/08/31/grappling-with-the-racism-of-the-dsas-founders/
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 16, 2018 at 7:28 PM C G Estabrook via Peace-discuss <
> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>
>> News from Neptune #394 - "Listing to port" edition
>> Episode: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4b5ZYpfLf8
>>
>> Links to works referenced on the show:
>>
>>
>> Gary Olson's "Pope Francis and the Battle Over Cultural Terrain"
>>
>>
>> https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/09/14/pope-francis-and-the-battle-over-cultural-terrain/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 2/3rds of Progressive Democrats are silent on foreign policy. Why?
>>
>>
>> https://www.blackagendareport.com/two-thirds-progressive-democratic-congressional-candidates-completely-silent-foreign-policy
>>
>>
>>
>> Matt Taibbi's "On the 10-year Anniversary of the Crash"
>>
>>
>> https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/financial-crisis-ten-year-anniversary-723798/
>>
>>
>>
>> Margarethe von Trotta's film "Rosa Luxemburg" (1986)
>>
>> Movie with hardcoded subtitles (runs 1h58m):
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiR0MmxB2qU
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Carl Boggs on "Obama’s Imperial Presidency"
>>
>> https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/09/14/obamas-imperial-presidency/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Anthony DiMaggio on the real threat to the US being "fascism in the White
>> House" and threat #1: Donald Trump
>>
>>
>> https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/09/11/full-on-fascism-trump-makes-the-transition-in-his-war-on-the-press/
>>
>>
>>
>> "If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry
>> about answers." -- Thomas Pynchon, "Gravity's Rainbow"
>>
>> https://gravitys-rainbow.pynchonwiki.com/wiki/ -- "Gravity's Rainbow"
>> wiki
>>
>> https://archive.org/details/WeisenburgerAGravitysRainbowCompanion --
>> Weisenburger's "Gravity's Rainbow" companion in multiple formats.
>>
>>
>>
>> John Steppling on Obama
>>
>> https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/09/12/unravelling/
>>
>>
>>
>> "Being an old farm boy myself, chickens coming home to roost never did
>> make me sad; they always made me glad." -- Malcolm X on Pres. Kennedy's
>> assassination
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oD6aX3dHR2k -- Malcolm X talking about
>> his famous statement.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Edward Michael "Mike" Harrington Jr.'s book "The Other America: Poverty
>> in the United States"
>> ISBN: 0-684-82678-X
>>
>> Harrington's book "Socialism"
>> ISBN: 9780841501416
>>
>> Harrington coined the term "neoconservatism".
>>
>> "Today's Other America: Corporate Power and Inequality" documentary based
>> on "The Other America" book.
>>
>> Maurice Isserman "The Other American: The Life of Michael Harrington"
>> ISBN: 1-58648-036-7
>>
>> On Sep 16, 2018, at 1:55 PM, C G Estabrook <cgestabrook at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4b5ZYpfLf8
>>
>> {INTRO}  Good evening, & welcome to News from Neptune for the 37th week
>> of 2018. I’m Carl Estabrook.
>>
>> Historians consider a generation to be about 25 years - roughly the time
>> it takes for you to get to the age your parents are now.
>>
>> For more than a generation, this program has been a weekly hour of
>> spontaneous & unrehearsed discussion of the news of the week and its
>> coverage by the media - first, on a so-called community radio station - and
>> now via Urbana Public TV and YouTube. (Earlier editions of this program are
>> available at <archive.org>. )
>>
>> I’m now the age my parents would have been when we started the program.
>> It’s not been an encouraging trip.
>>
>> Our program’s name, News from Neptune, comes from Noam Chomsky, who’s
>> been writing sensible things about U.S. politics for more than twice as
>> long as we’ve ben on the air. Chomsky says that in the U.S. media, “Either
>> you repeat the same conventional doctrines everybody is saying, or else you
>> say something true, and it will sound like it’s from Neptune.”
>>
>> Tonight David Green & I  - will try to say some true things with thanks
>> to Dr Know, J. B. Nicholson, for research. Know’s Notes are posted on the
>> NEWS FROM NEPTUNE fb page
>>
>> We try to bear in mind the murdered Rosa Luxemburg’s remark, from a
>> century ago
>> “The most revolutionary thing one can do is always to proclaim loudly
>> what is happening.”
>>
>> This is a “listing to port” edition (for a hurricane weekend). We’ll
>> present lists of news stories that are generally ignored. Listing also
>> means leaning - as port means ‘left.’  As antiquated as the left/right
>> distinction may be in politics, we may say that this program leans to the
>> left - i.e., lists to port.
>>
>> {OUTRO} You've been watching News from Neptune for the 37th week of 2018.
>> News From Neptune is presented by Carl Estabrook & David Green. It is
>> produced & directed by Jason Liggett & Ethan Young, with Andrew Scolari).
>> This has been a “Listing to Port” edition.
>>
>> Our thanks to Research Director Dr. Know, J. B. Nicholson, the Third Man
>> on News From Neptune - “Know’s Notes” are posted on the fb page for NFN
>>
>> Inshallah, we’ll be back next week with a new edition of News From
>> Neptune - to remind you, in the words of Edward de Vere (in The Tempest),
>>
>>
>> “...what’s past is prologue, what to come
>> In yours and my discharge.”
>>
>> In the meantime, confusion to our enemies, and a good night to you.
>>
>> ###
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