[Peace-discuss] News from Neptune for March 29

Wed Apr 3 23:56:28 UTC 2019

Thanks Karen. Yes, of course the Eichmann issue is complicated by so many
things, including the complicity, for example of the leader of the Jewish
community in Hungary, a Zionist, to save himself while telling his
community to cooperate with the Germans; that is, to go to their deaths,
resulting  in another famous trial in Israel (Rudolph Kastner, who was
ultimately assassinated). But beyond that, Arendt's criticism of the
Eichmann trial and the price she had to pay for being honest and truthful
to her best ability, regarding which I should probably brush up on myself,
or just watch the movie again. But whatever Eichmann's just deserts, it was
a political trial, easier to see in retrospect given Israel's emergence as
an American ally and the subsequent exploitation of the genocide, and the
Mossad mystique. In addition, the concurrent hypocrisy regarding the CIA
ratline of Nazis out of Germany, Klaus Barbie, etc. This is why I get so
annoyed by the focus on the Nazis' conscription of Eastern Europeans to do
their dirty work, and the subsequent chest-thumping by the Nazi-hunters in
this country (Simon Wiesenthal, and the Justice Dept. O.S.I.) when these
minor functionaries are exposed (although never very clearly and
specifically exposed), all of which contributes to the Israeli (Mossad)
mystique that was so much a part of Israel endearing itself to
Jewish-American (and Gentile-American) hearts in the 1960s. Eichmann was a
horrible Nazi and killer; but the West German leadership through the 60s
was also made up of Nazis. Justice was done, but in a manner that was
politically convenient and useful.

On Wed, Apr 3, 2019 at 1:06 PM C G Estabrook via Peace-discuss <
peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:

> Thanks for the comments. I appreciate how closely you listen to us.
>
> It might be interesting (as David suggested) to read Arendt’s “Eichmann in
> Jerusalem" (1963) in the present context <
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eichmann_in_Jerusalem>.
>
>
> > On Mar 30, 2019, at 12:26 PM, Karen Aram <karenaram at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> I found yesterdays NFN, https://youtu.be/HON84MPaoVc, particularly
> interesting and informative.
> >>
> >> Carl’s new strategy of being positive, in relation to a Democrat, then
> allowing others to point out the flaws, is quite  refreshing.
> >
> >> We need to thank Code Pink for providing the information and data
> proving what I suspect in relation to Tulsi Gabbard, that of her being a
> “sheepherder” for the Democrat Party, attempting to sway the anti-war
> crowd, by “talking about war.” It’s about time someone “talks about it.”
> However, candidates will talk about whatever they deem necessary to get
> votes, and funding. The DNC would shut her down if they didn’t like what
> she is doing. Poor woman, she does retain her cool, when taking so much
> criticism from those who support war, whatever their political affiliation,
> but that doesn’t make her Presidential material, nor is it proof she is
> “anti-war” as Code Pink proves.
> >
> >> Perhaps I misinterpret David, in referring to the “kidnap, of Adolph
> Eichmann?” are you implying, that is the beginning of the immoral behavior
> of the Mossad, Shin Bet?
> >
> >> I realize many at the time felt Israel and the US should always take
> the moral high ground and follow the law. Just as many think “Truth and
> Reconciliation” to be justice. If they had kidnapped and tortured and/or
> murdered Eichmann, I would agree. If they had done what the Mossad did in
> the seventy’s in relation to Munich, by murdering the members of Black
> September responsible for terrorism perpetrated against athletes in the
> Olympics, I would agree. They didn’t, they brought a war criminal to trial,
> he received “due process,” and the relatives and victims had justice, if
> one can ever achieve justice for crimes against humanity.  I would have,
> preferred prison for life, solitary confinement as we do with political
> prisoners in the US, like Chelsea Manning, as I don’t support the death
> penalty. However, allowing a war criminal, Eichmann wasn’t “just a military
> man following orders,” he was one of the architects of the “final
> solution,” to live out their life in comfort is not only an injustice, but
> an example of inhumanity,  inequality, and racism.
> >
> > Imagine a future where US war criminals flee the US and take up
> residence in Israel or KSA, I wouldn’t be concerned if the Iraqi’s or
> Libyans then kidnapped and took them back to their nation for trial by the
> victims. It would be more just than these people living in wealth and
> splendor throughout the rest of their days as if heroes, as is current.
> >
> >
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Mar 30, 2019, at 09:30, C G Estabrook <cgestabrook at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HON84MPaoVc
> >>
> >> News from Neptune #415
> >> A "Boys of Summer” edition [Links and notes by J.B. Nicholson]
> >> Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HON84MPaoVc
> >>
> >> Links to items referenced on the show.
> >>
> >> Roger Kahn's "Boys of Summer"
> >> ISBN-10: 0060883960
> >> ISBN-13: 978-0060883966
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> George Will on "Democratic candidates are channeling late-night
> infomercials"
> >>
> https://www.sltrib.com/opinion/commentary/2019/03/10/george-f-will-democratic/
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Michael Roberts on Modern Monetary Theory (MMT) in a 3-part series on
> his blog:
> >>
> >> Modern monetary theory – part 1: Chartalism and Marx
> >> Part 1:
> https://thenextrecession.wordpress.com/2019/01/28/modern-monetary-theory-part-1-chartalism-and-marx/
> >>
> >> MMT 2 – the tricks of circulation
> >> Part 2:
> https://thenextrecession.wordpress.com/2019/02/05/mmt-3-a-backstop-to-capitalism/
> >>
> >> MMT 3 – a backstop to capitalism
> >>
> https://thenextrecession.wordpress.com/2019/02/05/mmt-3-a-backstop-to-capitalism/
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Rob Urie on "Re: The Green New Deal: First, Shoot the Economists"
> >>
> https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/03/29/re-the-green-new-deal-first-shoot-the-economists/
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Doug Henwood on MMT
> >> https://www.jacobinmag.com/2019/02/modern-monetary-theory-isnt-helping
> >>
> >> Randy Wray on "Response to Doug Henwood’s Trolling on MMT in Jacobin"
> >>
> https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2019/02/randy-wray-response-doug-henwoods-trolling-mmt-jacobin.html
> >>
> >> Originally published in
> >>
> http://neweconomicperspectives.org/2019/02/response-to-doug-henwoods-trolling-in-jacobin.html
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Jim Dey on "Polls say progressive tax is popular — or is it?"
> >>
> http://www.news-gazette.com/opinion/columns/2019-03-29/jim-dey-polls-say-progressive-tax-popular-%E2%80%94-or-it.html
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "Capital in the Twenty-first Century" by Thomas Piketty
> >> Complete book:
> https://dowbor.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/14Thomas-Piketty.pdf
> >>
> >>
> >> Tobin Tax
> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tobin_tax
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> CodePink on "War and Peace and the 2020 Presidential Candidates"
> >>
> https://www.commondreams.org/views/2019/03/27/war-and-peace-and-2020-presidential-candidates
> >>
> >>
> >> Sen. Sanders on NBC's "Meet the Press"
> >>
> https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/video/bernie-sanders-would-use-drones-to-fight-terror-542522435844
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> UPI on "Rafi Eitan, spy who captured Nazi Adolf Eichmann, dies"
> >>
> https://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2019/03/24/Rafi-Eitan-spy-who-captured-Nazi-Adolf-Eichmann-dies/5831553484489/
> >>
> >> New York Times on "Rafi Eitan, 92, Israeli Spymaster Who Caught
> Eichmann, Is Dead"
> >> https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/23/obituaries/rafi-eitan-dead.html
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Associated Press on "New Zealand bans manifesto of accused Christchurch
> killer, igniting debate about censorship and free speech"
> >>
> https://www.scmp.com/news/asia/australasia/article/3003087/new-zealand-bans-manifesto-accused-christchurch-killer
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Jonathan Cook on "Trump’s Green Light to Israel: First the Golan, Then
> the West Bank?"
> >>
> https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/03/28/trumps-green-light-to-israel-first-the-golan-then-the-west-bank/
> >>
> >> Related:
> >>
> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OT1v4fbljx4 -- Pres. Trump deems Golan
> Heights to be part of Israel
> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rsoip2fsb1E -- RT: Russia, Turkey
> blast move to recognize Golan Heights as Israeli
> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3segzWTLsk -- Ruptly: UN Security
> Council meeting on Syria & Golan Heights recognition
> >>
> >>
> >> Map of Golan Heights
> >>
> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/42/Golan_Heights_Map.PNG
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Russia Defies US Threats Over Venezuela
> >> Transcript:
> https://therealnews.com/stories/russia-defies-us-threats-over-venezuela
> >> Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MX_LS_NqQA
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> J.B. Nicholson on "Is Tulsi Gabbard really anti-war? No, she’s
> pro-drone and for “surgical strikes”."
> >>
> https://digitalcitizen.info/2019/02/13/is-tulsi-gabbard-really-anti-war-no-shes-pro-drone-and-for-surgical-strikes/
> >>
> >> January 2018 Rep. Tulsi Gabbard interview with Jeremy Scahill of The
> Intercept
> >> Transcript:
> https://theintercept.com/2018/01/17/intercepted-podcast-white-mirror/
> >> Audio: https://traffic.megaphone.fm/PPY1407171456.mp3
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Adeel Hassan, Karen Zraick and Alan Blinder on "Morris Dees, a
> Co-Founder of the Southern Poverty Law Center, Is Ousted"
> >>
> https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/14/us/morris-dees-southern-poverty-law-center-fired.html
> >>
> >>
> >> Alexander Cockburn on "King of the Hate Business"
> >> https://www.thenation.com/article/king-hate-business/
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Paul Craig Roberts on "Now We Will Find Out If Trump Is Really The
> President Or Merely A Figurehead"
> >>
> https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2019/03/25/now-we-will-find-out-if-trump-is-really-the-president-or-merely-a-figurehead/
> >>
> >> -J
> >>
> >
>
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