[Peace-discuss] NFN yesterday

Sun Jan 27 12:35:08 UTC 2019

My opinion: We aren't leaving the Middle East, we have entrenched our military throughout the African continent, we aren't leaving Syria, we are likely planning on a take over of Lebanon, but yes there is no stopping a US takeover of Venezuela, and yes this has been taking place since 2002, it didn't just begin a year or two ago. It has nothing to do with anything Maduro has or has not done.

"It is perfectly clear today that the process towards war is underway. Enormous forces are in play, and there is little that can be done to stop them now. It is in this context that Russia is studying the possibility of setting up a permanent aero-naval base in Venezuela. The island of La Orchila – where President Hugo Chávez was held prisoner during the coup d’etat of April 2002 – would enable the storing of strategic bombers. This would constitute a much greater threat to the United States than the Soviet missiles stationed in Cuba in 1962."

[1] « Plan to overthrow the Venezuelan Dictatorship – “Masterstroke” », Admiral Kurt W. Tidd, Voltaire Network, 23 février 2018. “The United States “Master Stroke” against Venezuela”, by Stella Calloni; “The United States are preparing a war between Latin-American states”, by Thierry Meyssan, Translation Pete Kimberley, Voltaire Network, 17 May and 18 December 2018.
[2] The Pentagon’s New Map, Thomas P. M. Barnett, Putnam Publishing Group, 2004. “The US military project for the world”, by Thierry Meyssan, Translation Pete Kimberley, Voltaire Network, 22 August 2017.
[3] “Declaration of a National Emergency with Respect to Venezuela”, “Executive Order – Blocking Property and Suspending Entry of Certain Persons Contributing to the Situation in Venezuela”, by Barack Obama, Voltaire Network, 9 March 2015.
[4] « Brexit : Londres assume sa nouvelle politique coloniale », Réseau Voltaire, 3 janvier 2019.
[5] “Assad and Chávez call for the creation of a Free Allied Movement”, Voltaire Network, 29 June 2010.
[6] “Large-scale manoeuvres encircling Venezuela”, by Manlio Dinucci, Translation Anoosha Boralessa, Il Manifesto (Italy) , Voltaire Network, 23 August 2017.
[7] “We are opening new overseas bases to boost Britain”, Christopher Hope, Sunday Telegraph, December 30, 2018.
[8] “Declaration of the Lima Group”, Translation Anoosha Boralessa, Voltaire Network, 4 January 2019.
Top Photo | A US Naval Aircrewman surveys Honduran airspace from aboard an MH-60S Seahawk, assigned to the “Sea Knights” of Helicopter Sea Combat Squadron (HSC) 22. Photo | U.S. Navy

Thierry Meyssan is a political consultant, President-founder of the Réseau Voltaire (Voltaire Network). His latest work in French is Sous nos Yeux. Du 11-Septembre à Donald Trump (Right Before our Eyes. From 9/11 to Donald Trump)."

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On Jan 26, 2019, at 18:58, C. G. Estabrook <galliher at illinois.edu<mailto:galliher at illinois.edu>> wrote:

Unfortunately true.

And ‘liberal Democrat’ Durbin supports the US-backed coup: <https://freebeacon.com/national-security/dem-rep-challenges-durbin-u-s-should-not-throw-support-behind-maduros-opponent-in-venezuela/>.

On Jan 26, 2019, at 8:47 PM, Brussel, Morton K via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net<mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:

The Real News Network has useful discussions concerning the events in Venezuela:

https://therealnews.com/stories/attempted-coup-in-venezuela-with-abby-martin-greg-wilpert-paul-jay
https://therealnews.com/stories/defusing-the-crisis-a-way-forward-for-venezuela

The reaction to the intended coup there  in our mainstream media is perverse, and the virtual absence of commentary by members of Congress to the adminstration's actions and comments is notable, a reflection of the corruption of our so-called democratic institutions. AOC, Tulsi, and Sanders mildly critical, Sanders attempting to straddle a middle ground, harshly condemming Maduro but saying “we" (U.S. political and economic forces) shouldn’t interfere: that is risible, we already have; we’ve organized the whole thing.

—mkb

On Jan 26, 2019, at 3:40 PM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:

Carl and David

Excellent program.

My thoughts,

I am skeptical of these women in Congress, whether AOC, Tulsi, or anyone else because they offer “hope” just as Bernie did, hope that the Democrats will save us.  Having Tulsi and Bernie run in 2020, even if elected will be mere puppets as all other Presidents before them, and they know it. In the meantime DNC strategy, now I speculate, is to suck off the young Bernie folks, pseudo socialists, and those who are afraid to support a third Party because you know the usual, “Trump is so awful,” and he is, but this is why we are just running in circles, with inequality growing, and more nations in our crosshairs for destruction.

AOC may say some of the right things, but even if she is genuine, I see someone either being prepared for the future, a woman of color, or shut down when she takes up FP. In the meantime she is a diversion from FP, focusing on domestic issues as if one person is going to change anything.

I’m inundated with postings of both AOC and Tulsi, they get a lot of coverage from mainstream media, unlike Jill Stein, Ajamu Baraka, and anyone else who speaks out against USFP. In fact, most of the websites providing information related to foreign policy are being censored or closed down, so one must question Tulsi, and I have yet to hear her go into any indepth analysis related to our wars, she supposedly opposes. AOC to my knowledge has yet to comment on FP.

We have a “for profit system” of capitalism which isn’t going to get better, it will likely get worse.
People need to remember, anyone can say anything, until they’re elected, and even then they can say anything and they do, as they have, it means little.
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