[Peace-discuss] NFN yesterday

[Karen Aram]

In addition to her not supporting BDS, but her statement:   " It remains vital for the United States, along with the broader international community, to continue to bring both parties to the negotiating table. We must avoid efforts to unilaterally blame and deny legitimacy to either side, and should instead work towards building a just solution that recognizes the trauma suffered by both populations. We should hold both Israelis and Palestinians accountable when they take actions in bad faith.”  infuriating, and certainly does show ignorance, if nothing else. I haven’t heard anything related to Israel from AOC yet.

Either way, “reformism” isn’t going to work, with just a couple people bucking the crowd with only a few years left to bring about change. Within twelve years its too late to do anything about climate change, it’s not like pushing a button and “whola" there we have clean atmosphere, clean oceans, etc. How many nations will have been destroyed by then, how many millions murdered by then, and we must remember 2030 is the deadline according to the Rand Corp. for war with China.

Congress is about power, the Presidents always knew that, and made sure they cultivated those with it. Our corporate lobbyists have managed to do that, over the many years, very well.


On Jan 27, 2019, at 12:45, David Green <davidgreen50 at gmail.com<mailto:davidgreen50 at gmail.com>> wrote:

The Bernie/DSA "movement" will only be genuinely successful if its adherents are relentlessly truthful about the nature of USFP. Then they can figure out who their "friends" and "enemies" are. Certainly Ayanna Pressley (D-MA) will be counted as one of the latter. Her website statement, for example, on Israel/Palestine is:

"Historically, the United States has played a critical role in advancing engagement between Israeli and Palestinian leadership, and working to ease tensions in the region. It remains vital for the United States, along with the broader international community, to continue to bring both parties to the negotiating table. We must avoid efforts to unilaterally blame and deny legitimacy to either side, and should instead work towards building a just solution that recognizes the trauma suffered by both populations. We should hold both Israelis and Palestinians accountable when they take actions in bad faith that cause each other harm, and should encourage actions that build trust and demonstrate a real willingness to make peace. I do not support BDS as a means to achieve a two-state solution because I believe it does not acknowledge the efforts of those on the ground who are deeply committed to bringing peaceful coexistence to the region, and pushes Israelis and Palestinians farther away from the meaningful engagement and dialogue needed to empathize with each other's struggle and acknowledge each other's humanity. At the same time, I believe that others should be free to advocate it and that their 1st amendment rights should be respected."
Honestly I don't care if she opposes BDS; I care that she doesn't understand anything about the history, and is disinterested in a genuine solution.

On Sat, Jan 26, 2019 at 3:40 PM Karen Aram via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net<mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:
Carl and David


Excellent program.

My thoughts,

I am skeptical of these women in Congress, whether AOC, Tulsi, or anyone else because they offer “hope” just as Bernie did, hope that the Democrats will save us.  Having Tulsi and Bernie run in 2020, even if elected will be mere puppets as all other Presidents before them, and they know it. In the meantime DNC strategy, now I speculate, is to suck off the young Bernie folks, pseudo socialists, and those who are afraid to support a third Party because you know the usual, “Trump is so awful,” and he is, but this is why we are just running in circles, with inequality growing, and more nations in our crosshairs for destruction.

AOC may say some of the right things, but even if she is genuine, I see someone either being prepared for the future, a woman of color, or shut down when she takes up FP. In the meantime she is a diversion from FP, focusing on domestic issues as if one person is going to change anything.

I’m inundated with postings of both AOC and Tulsi, they get a lot of coverage from mainstream media, unlike Jill Stein, Ajamu Baraka, and anyone else who speaks out against USFP. In fact, most of the websites providing information related to foreign policy are being censored or closed down, so one must question Tulsi, and I have yet to hear her go into any indepth analysis related to our wars, she supposedly opposes. AOC to my knowledge has yet to comment on FP.

We have a “for profit system” of capitalism which isn’t going to get better, it will likely get worse.
People need to remember, anyone can say anything, until they’re elected, and even then they can say anything and they do, as they have, it means little.
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