[Peace-discuss] [Peace] News from Neptune #446

Mon Jan 6 00:05:50 UTC 2020

A more coherent view of the current conjuncture, not falling for the absurd view that  considers an incompetent, impetuous, vicious, and inconsistent Trump as a peace leader.:

https://original.antiwar.com/David_Stockman/2020/01/03/the-donald-is-now-america-firsts-own-assassin/

In any case, it is hard to give much credence to Carl’s speculations as to why the “deep state” so mistrusts (if they do) Trump. He and Netanyahu seem linked minds.

On Jan 5, 2020, at 1:25 PM, C. G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net<mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:

I have no “overly positive attitude to Trump.”

I try to account for two things: (1) why Trump was elected (it wasn’t because most white voters are deplorable racists - the Democrat cover-story); and (2) why the political establishment is so desperate to remove him (they fear that he might act on his anti-war pledges from the campaign).

The establishment’s job is to defend the one-percent’s foreign policy: war and war-provocations vs. Russia and China to retard Eurasian economic integration and so defend US world economic hegemony.

Trump was the first major candidate in 40 years to attack the neocon (more war) and neolib (more austerity) policies of the Clinton/Bush/Obama administrations. Those attacks convinced enough voters - who of course knew what the US government was doing in their own lives, despite what the press said - to vote for him.

They would have reelected him, if the ‘permanent government' hadn’t convinced Trump to abandon those attacks and adopt the neolib & neocon policies he was attacking - now perhaps most disastrously in regard to war with Iran.

Perhaps the most destructive thing good liberals have done is allow their politics to be reduced to “ORANGE MAN BAD!” (which is after all a way of protecting Clinton-Bush-Obama foreign and domestic policy without having actually to defend those policies).

Trump should be impeached immediately for the high crime he just committed - the assassination of a foreign leader. (And not for the nonsense in the House resolutions - which are based on his hesitation to kill Ukrainians; his predecessors had few hesitations in such matters.)

Incidentally, Jill Stein is one of the few US politicians (even within the Green Party) who’ve said anything sensible about this presidential murder:
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[Dr. Jill Stein at DrJillStein] Now THIS is grounds for #impeachment - treachery unleashing the unthinkable for Americans & people the world over: Trump asked Iraqi prime minister to mediate with #Iran then assassinated Soleimani - on a mediation mission.

[jane arraf at janearraf] This is stunning - #Iraq prime minister tells parliament US troops should leave. Says @realDonaldTrump called him to ask him to mediate with #Iran and then ordered drone strike on Soleimani. Says Soleimani carrying response to Saudi initiative to defuse tension when he was hit.
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—CGE

On Jan 4, 2020, at 11:10 AM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net<mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:

Excellent discussion, most folks know I agree completely with David Green in relation to Carl’s overly positive attitude to Trump, attempting a defense. Our foreign policy being conducted by the “permanent state,” is without doubt, but doesn’t excuse the President or Administration carrying out or implementing interventions, sanctions, invasions, bombings etc. We took this stand when it was a Democrat in the WH, and the same applies to the Republican in the WH.

That being said, Carl is absolutely on target in respect to the broader picture and goals of our corporate capitalist system. We were disappointed when Chomsky warned against Trump leaving us with Hilary whom we knew was a warmonger, rather than Jill Stein as the third Party candidate whom we knew would not bow to corporate supporters.

Wm. Blum, god rest his soul, warned us in 2016 of the consequences of a Trump administration being the neocons supporting him, and their goals of control of Iran. He made the point which I think makes a lot of sense after reading Zbigniew’s “The Grand Chess Board,” that being control of Russia requires control of Iran, not Blums exact words, but that is the essence and we should recognize that Russia is necessary to preventing US control of China, they need each other. This has been the strategy since the “White Paper,” as Carl has pointed out frequently.

It’s important we focus on the system and the power behind the throne which we know does not share the same  “interests” thus they do differ in relation to tactics, but the end goal control of Eurasia by whatever means still stands. China is the ultimate goal, their markets as well as labor, and these ideas and discussions date back to the late 1800’s. Imperialism is the foundation holding up our capitalist system, as it continues to impoverish most of the working class around the world, it is the tool being used to support capitalism and must be defeated.

One step in the process is focus on class as David points out frequently.

In spite of the bad weather and some thinking that there will be no war with Iran, is it something to be ignored? Hope to see you all this afternoon protesting wars in the Middle East.

On Jan 3, 2020, at 22:20, J.B. Nicholson via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net<mailto:peace at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:

J.B. Nicholson wrote:
News from Neptune #446
A "War with Iran? A Trap for Trump?" edition
A list of links to items referenced on the show.

I accidentally left out the URL of the video.

Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uWh2VP7qkg

-J
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