[Peace-discuss] [Peace] News from Neptune #446

Mon Jan 6 01:56:10 UTC 2020

On Sun, Jan 5, 2020 at 6:06 PM Brussel, Morton K via Peace <
peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:

A more coherent view of the current conjuncture, not falling for the absurd
> view that  considers an incompetent, impetuous, vicious, and inconsistent
> Trump as a peace leader.:
>

*snicker*  Indeed.  A "peace leader".  Hahahahaha!

>
> https://original.antiwar.com/David_Stockman/2020/01/03/the-donald-is-now-america-firsts-own-assassin/
>
> In any case, it is hard to give much credence to Carl’s speculations as to
> why the “deep state” so mistrusts (if they do) Trump. He and Netanyahu seem
> linked minds.
>

Shit, EVERYONE but the MAGA crowd distrusts tRump, albeit perhaps for
somewhat differing reasons.  tRump's own staff distrusts him.  He is the
loosest of loose cannons.

> On Jan 5, 2020, at 1:25 PM, C. G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss <
> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>
> I have no “overly positive attitude to Trump.”
>
> I try to account for two things: (1) why Trump was elected (it wasn’t
> because most white voters are deplorable racists - the Democrat
> cover-story); and (2) why the political establishment is so desperate to
> remove him (they fear that he might act on his anti-war pledges from the
> campaign).
>
> The establishment’s job is to defend the one-percent’s foreign policy: war
> and war-provocations vs. Russia and China to retard Eurasian economic
> integration and so defend US world economic hegemony.
>
> Trump was the first major candidate in 40 years to attack the neocon (more
> war) and neolib (more austerity) policies of the Clinton/Bush/Obama
> administrations. Those attacks convinced enough voters - who of course knew
> what the US government was doing in their own lives, despite what the press
> said - to vote for him.
>
> They would have reelected him, if the ‘permanent government' hadn’t
> convinced Trump to abandon those attacks and adopt the neolib & neocon
> policies he was attacking - now perhaps most disastrously in regard to war
> with Iran.
>
> Perhaps the most destructive thing good liberals have done is allow their
> politics to be reduced to “ORANGE MAN BAD!” (which is after all a way of
> protecting Clinton-Bush-Obama foreign and domestic policy without having
> actually to defend those policies).
>
> Trump should be impeached immediately for the high crime he just committed
> - the assassination of a foreign leader. (And not for the nonsense in the
> House resolutions - which are based on his hesitation to kill Ukrainians;
> his predecessors had few hesitations in such matters.)
>
> Incidentally, Jill Stein is one of the few US politicians (even within the
> Green Party) who’ve said anything sensible about this presidential murder:
> ===================
> [Dr. Jill Stein at DrJillStein] Now THIS is grounds for #impeachment -
> treachery unleashing the unthinkable for Americans & people the world over:
> Trump asked Iraqi prime minister to mediate with #Iran then assassinated
> Soleimani - on a mediation mission.
>
> [jane arraf at janearraf] This is stunning - #Iraq prime minister tells
> parliament US troops should leave. Says @realDonaldTrump called him to ask
> him to mediate with #Iran and then ordered drone strike on Soleimani. Says
> Soleimani carrying response to Saudi initiative to defuse tension when he
> was hit.
> ===================
>
> —CGE
>
>
>
>
> On Jan 4, 2020, at 11:10 AM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss <
> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>
>
> Excellent discussion, most folks know I agree completely with David Green
> in relation to Carl’s overly positive attitude to Trump, attempting a
> defense. Our foreign policy being conducted by the “permanent state,” is
> without doubt, but doesn’t excuse the President or Administration carrying
> out or implementing interventions, sanctions, invasions, bombings etc. We
> took this stand when it was a Democrat in the WH, and the same applies to
> the Republican in the WH.
>
> That being said, Carl is absolutely on target in respect to the broader
> picture and goals of our corporate capitalist system. We were disappointed
> when Chomsky warned against Trump leaving us with Hilary whom we knew was a
> warmonger, rather than Jill Stein as the third Party candidate whom we knew
> would not bow to corporate supporters.
>
> Wm. Blum, god rest his soul, warned us in 2016 of the consequences of a
> Trump administration being the neocons supporting him, and their goals of
> control of Iran. He made the point which I think makes a lot of sense after
> reading Zbigniew’s “The Grand Chess Board,” that being control of Russia
> requires control of Iran, not Blums exact words, but that is the essence
> and we should recognize that Russia is necessary to preventing US control
> of China, they need each other. This has been the strategy since the “White
> Paper,” as Carl has pointed out frequently.
>
> It’s important we focus on the system and the power behind the throne
> which we know does not share the same  “interests” thus they do differ in
> relation to tactics, but the end goal control of Eurasia by whatever means
> still stands. China is the ultimate goal, their markets as well as labor,
> and these ideas and discussions date back to the late 1800’s. Imperialism
> is the foundation holding up our capitalist system, as it continues to
> impoverish most of the working class around the world, it is the tool being
> used to support capitalism and must be defeated.
>
> One step in the process is focus on class as David points out frequently.
>
> In spite of the bad weather and some thinking that there will be no war
> with Iran, is it something to be ignored? Hope to see you all this
> afternoon protesting wars in the Middle East.
>
>
>
>
> On Jan 3, 2020, at 22:20, J.B. Nicholson via Peace <
> peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>
> J.B. Nicholson wrote:
>
> News from Neptune #446
> A "War with Iran? A Trap for Trump?" edition
> A list of links to items referenced on the show.
>
>
> I accidentally left out the URL of the video.
>
> Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uWh2VP7qkg
>
> -J
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