[Peace] Re: [Peace-discuss] Anti-War Billboard! U-C Friends Meeting seeks support

[sbekal at uiuc.edu]

I agree with you Carl that the cost of the war is not necessary a convincing argument if it was spent to provide security here in the US or in Iraq. It is not spent to buy freedom and security for Iraquis or Americans.  The irony is that this high cost of war is spent for violence, mischief and destruction as well as insecurity which is leading us to less freedom.
>Also, I am not an economist, but the argument that the war spending is boosting the us economy is just false in my opinion, as little return from that spending is helping the current US economy.
>
Sadia Bekal

---- Original message ----
>Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 11:25:18 -0500
>From: "C. G. Estabrook" <galliher at uiuc.edu>  
>Subject: Re: [Peace] Re: [Peace-discuss] Anti-War Billboard! U-C Friends	Meeting seeks support  
>To: peace-discuss at anti-war.net
>Cc: peace at anti-war.net
>
>Of course, war spending may be the one thing that's boosting the US economy in 
>the dying days of Bush II.
>
>Susan Parenti wrote:
>> I don't agree, Carl. It's not a matter of critiquing the war, but of 
>> establishing a new connection between old news and new news: old news, 
>> the war in Iraq (terrorism is really old news; if you hear the sniggling 
>> in the airports from everyone when the loudspeaker announces, one more 
>> time, 'orange alert', you'd hear how that hand has been played out);  
>> and new news, the recession.
>> 
>> The bill board makes the connection visual--this old war is not only 
>> old, it's currently costly--and the cost of things is the feeling at the 
>> moment, not the ideological fear of things. Everyone knows the feeling 
>> of spending too much when not enough is coming in; the first thing you 
>> do is cutback on what's not necessary. At the moment, I don't hear 
>> anyone being listened to with much interest, who is arguing for the 
>> necessity of the war on Iraq, potentially on Iran. The news about food 
>> shortages, about the housing slump, wall street slump, rising gas costs, 
>> is making people feel poor. I feel it myself these days,as I decide 
>> between the best mustard and the generic mustard. Generic, wins.
>> mustardly,
>> susan
>> On Apr 28, 2008, at 10:58 AM, C. G. Estabrook wrote:
>> 
>>> I continue to think this an unfortunate campaign.  Putting aside the 
>>> real question of the effect of the war on the American economy, it is 
>>> at best a matter of preaching to the converted: you find this argument 
>>> effective if and only if you already find something wrong with the war.
>>>
>>> Consider what the reaction would be to such a campaign in the US 
>>> during the Second World War.  If you said the fight against Naziism 
>>> was costing too much, you would be condemned as someone putting a 
>>> price on freedom.
>>>
>>> We have to be imaginative enough to realize that defenders of the 
>>> current war hold a similar opinion.  If we can't convince them that 
>>> they're wrong about the character of the war, we won't convince them 
>>> with niggling complaints about the cost. --CGE
>>>
>>>
>>> Stuart Levy wrote:
>>>> This billboard:
>>>>    http://picasaweb.google.com/BarKes/NewAlbum423081210PM/photo
>>>> will be coming to the Champaign-Urbana region in May,
>>>> sponsored by the U-C Friends Meeting and American Friends' Service
>>>> Committee and supported by checks from  everyone who wants to see it
>>>> happen.  This will be up for 28 days at an unannounced location to be
>>>> chosen by the Adams Outdoor Advertising Co., which may be able to give
>>>> us more space as the summer goes on.
>>>> What we need is around $1550 as projected cost for several billboards.
>>>> $775 of that will get us the first one.
>>>> Please make out checks to "UC Friends' Meeting" and give
>>>> it to whoever is soliciting the check, OR mail the check to
>>>>     UC Friends' Meeting
>>>>     1904 E. Main St.
>>>>     Urbana, Il 61802
>>>> [Passing this message along from Barbara Kessel]
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