[Peace] Re: [Peace-discuss] Obama finks on FISA (& even Hillary doesn't)

[Alfred Kagan]

Please take this discussion of the Peace list.

Thanks,
Al Kagan


On Jul 10, 2008, at 3:15 AM, Walter Pituc wrote:

> Carl, I would ardently disagree with you that most Greens, including 
> myself would consider themselves vanguardist While yes a lot of Greens 
> would claim that a viable third party must be built to oppose the two 
> corporate party, it comes from grassroots support and empowering all 
> citizens to reclaim their role as the true power brokers rather than a 
> small band party leading the way for true change. What Greens advocate 
> for is people to see through the two corporate parties lies and take 
> the courage to vote Green or another third party. On your other point 
> about recruiting members, on the contrary, we are actively trying to 
> build membership from the bottom up. Believe me, there are only a 
> select few who play the Inquisitor role of trying to see who is Green 
> and who isn't; we are emphatically an open party to all ideologies (as 
> long as they generally agree with the Ten Key Values and aren't 
> fascist.)
>
>  I resent you calling as Austically Leninist and I don't think that is 
> an accurately portrayal.
>
>
> Best,
>
>
> -Walter Pituc
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 10:16 PM, C. G. Estabrook <galliher at uiuc.edu> 
> wrote:
>>
>>
>>  Or perhaps McKinney, if the Green party could ever shake what might 
>> be called its Autistic Leninism -- i.e., it's desire to be a vanguard 
>> party, coupled with a distinct distaste for those for whom it might 
>> be a vanguard. The result is an unwillingness actually to recruit 
>> members; instead, a contemplation of one's own activist purity is 
>> substituted.  (Autistic Leninism is known in some circles [but not in 
>> C-U] as the Chief/Indian Dilemma.) --CGE
>>
>>
>> rlangenh at uiuc.edu wrote:
>>> So, who are you going to vote for in October?
>>
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