[Peace] Saturdays Flier
E. Wayne Johnson
ewj at pigs.ag
Wed Feb 4 23:42:14 CST 2009
The attack on Gaza was done with the support of US money and with US
weapons.
Brussel Morton K. wrote:
> Comments follow.
> On Feb 4, 2009, at 6:51 PM, C. G. Estabrook wrote:
>
>> There's no doubt that the attack on Gaza was done with US permission
>> (and would not have been done without it).
>
> What is your evidence (not inference)?
>
>> The Bush administration had withheld permission for an attack on
>> Lebanon until the summer of 2006, and they pointedly released the
>> information that they had withheld permission for an attack on Iran.
>
> Yes, the U.S could have stopped it (if it knew what was to happen and
> wanted to stop it), but this is not equivalent in my view to saying
> that it gave its permission. How do you know whether permission was
> asked? It may have simply informed the U.S. that it was going to act,
> and the U.S. could have indicated that "It's your affair"? I don't
> believe that everything Israel does requires U.S. permission. In any
> case, I don't think the permission word strengthens the pamphlet for
> its intended audience.
>>
>> And the suppression of the Palestinians is a central part of the US
>> war in the ME. Some say it's the central point. Al-Qaeda said that
>> its 9/11/2001 attacks in the US were reprisals for (1) US troops in
>> Saudi Arabia; (2) sanctions against Iraq; and (3) the suppression of
>> the Palestinians.
>
> So far as I know, the U.S. has not declared war on Gaza or the West
> Bank. That its policy is to weaken or destroy Hamas via its Israeli
> client is not quite the same thing. I simply found the statement is
> too imprecise, too blunderbuss.
>>
>> The US support for the suppression of the Palestinians -- i.e., US
>> rejection of the two-state solution -- is not just a favor to the
>> Israelis. A truly independent Palestinian state would surely be
>> another opponent to US domination of the region (one reason that
>> right-wing Arab governments are at best lukewarm supporters of the
>> Palestinians).
>>
>> US support for Israel -- so strong that some think the control runs
>> the other way (cf. tail/dog) -- exists because of Israel's crucial
>> aid in US foreign policy, ever since their defeat of secular Arab
>> nationalism in 1967. The "stationary aircraft carrier" as Chomsky
>> says received weapons shipments during the Gaza assault that were
>> being positioned for use elsewhere in the ME, as they regularly are.
>> --CGE
>
> Yes, but not relevant to my objections.
> I just think that the pamphlet would be more effective andno less true
> without those words. You are free to disagree.
>
> --mkb
>
>>
>>
>> Brussel Morton K. wrote:
>>> My taste would be to omit the words in the heading:
>>> */Permission/ *
>>> and the phrase
>>> *as Part of the US War in the Middle East** *
>>> I don't know whether permission was actually requested, although the
>>> U.S. may have been informed and did nothing.
>>> The "U.S. war in the Middle East" arguably does not literally
>>> encompass the Palestinians or even Hamas, despite our government's
>>> antagonisms and/or unconcern, and despite what our client there
>>> does. Apologies for replying at this late date.
>>> --mkb
>>> On Feb 4, 2009, at 9:27 AM, David Harley wrote:
>>>> If this meets general approval I will have it printed.
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