[Peace] Saturdays Flier

E. Wayne Johnson ewj at pigs.ag
Wed Feb 4 23:42:14 CST 2009


The attack on Gaza was done with the support of US money and with US 
weapons.


Brussel Morton K. wrote:
> Comments follow.
> On Feb 4, 2009, at 6:51 PM, C. G. Estabrook wrote:
>
>> There's no doubt that the attack on Gaza was done with US permission 
>> (and would not have been done without it).
>
> What is your evidence (not inference)?
>
>> The Bush administration had withheld permission for an attack on 
>> Lebanon until the summer of 2006, and they pointedly released the 
>> information that they had withheld permission for an attack on Iran.
>
> Yes, the U.S could have stopped it (if it knew what was to happen and 
> wanted to stop it), but this is not equivalent in my view to saying 
> that it gave its permission. How do you know whether permission was 
> asked? It may have simply informed the U.S. that it was going to act, 
> and the U.S. could have indicated that  "It's your affair"? I don't 
> believe that everything Israel does requires U.S. permission. In any 
> case, I don't think the permission word strengthens the pamphlet for 
> its intended audience.
>>
>> And the suppression of the Palestinians is a central part of the US 
>> war in the ME. Some say it's the central point.  Al-Qaeda said that 
>> its 9/11/2001 attacks in the US were reprisals for (1) US troops in 
>> Saudi Arabia; (2) sanctions against Iraq; and (3) the suppression of 
>> the Palestinians.
>
> So far as I know, the U.S. has not declared war on Gaza or the West 
> Bank. That its policy is to weaken or destroy Hamas via its Israeli 
> client is not quite the same thing. I simply found the statement is 
> too imprecise, too blunderbuss.
>>
>> The US support for the suppression of the Palestinians -- i.e., US 
>> rejection of the two-state solution -- is not just a favor to the 
>> Israelis. A truly independent Palestinian state would surely be 
>> another opponent to US domination of the region (one reason that 
>> right-wing Arab governments are at best lukewarm supporters of the 
>> Palestinians).
>>
>> US support for Israel -- so strong that some think the control runs 
>> the other way (cf. tail/dog) -- exists because of Israel's crucial 
>> aid in US foreign policy, ever since their defeat of secular Arab 
>> nationalism in 1967.  The "stationary aircraft carrier" as Chomsky 
>> says received weapons shipments during the Gaza assault that were 
>> being positioned for use elsewhere in the ME, as they regularly are.  
>> --CGE
>
> Yes, but not relevant to my objections.
> I just think that the pamphlet would be more effective andno less true 
> without those words. You are free to disagree.
>
> --mkb
>
>>
>>
>> Brussel Morton K. wrote:
>>> My taste would be to omit the words in the heading:
>>> */Permission/ *
>>> and the phrase
>>> *as Part of the US War in the Middle East** *
>>> I don't know whether permission was actually requested, although the 
>>> U.S. may have been informed and did nothing.
>>> The "U.S. war in the Middle East" arguably does not literally 
>>> encompass the Palestinians or even Hamas, despite our government's 
>>> antagonisms and/or unconcern, and despite what our client there 
>>> does. Apologies for replying at this late date.
>>> --mkb
>>> On Feb 4, 2009, at 9:27 AM, David Harley wrote:
>>>> If this meets general approval I will have it printed.
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