[Peace] [sf-core] Re: Sinai Temple: Help Reconcile C-U's Traumatized Communities

Sun Dec 4 20:33:27 UTC 2016

We should note that stock prices of arms manufacturers leaped up after 
the election.    That shows the capitalist reading of what a Trump admin 
plus a unified Republican congress means for the military.

So yes it is important that Trump recognized the value of speaking out 
against military adventures abroad as part of his campaign - he saw that 
it was something that could move people.     Though as we were 
discussing at last week's AWARE meeting, other candidates in past 
elections have sold themselves as opponents of war and turned out to be 
no such thing - "I have a plan" Nixon, GW Bush, "Nobel Peace Prize" 
Obama came to mind.

How Trump and the people around him will act on their power we'll have 
to see.    I believe Blum's argument that Trump is unlikely to start a 
hot war with Russia, and was very worried that Clinton was hurtling 
along a course to do just that.    But will the Trump administration 
push for war with Iran?  It seems all too likely. Will it keep up the 
trillion-dollar US nuclear weapons upgrade (as Clinton would have), and 
the anti-ballistic missile sites in eastern Europe?

This is why I've kept saying that neither major party's Presidential 
offering is any sort of convincing peace candidate.

As for the Jill Stein-supported recounts, it seems a very smart course 
to me from the Green Party's point of view - not because it would be 
liable to change the outcome of the presidential race, but because it 
might well turn up real sloppiness, or inconsistencies of tabulation 
that could suggest (probably insider) tampering, or expose the numbers 
of people who were given provisional ballots because of voter-rolls 
purges or other vote access restrictions. When neither major party is 
standing up for election integrity, the Green Party can say that theirs 
was the party that fought for it. That has to be valuable for their 
reputation in the next election cycles.

On 12/4/16 11:41 AM, C. G. Estabrook via Peace wrote:
> John Pilger wrote before the election, ""The CIA has demanded Trump is 
> not elected. Pentagon generals have demanded he is not elected. The 
> pro-war New York Times — taking a breather from its relentless 
> low-rent Putin smears — demands that he is not elected. Something is 
> up. These tribunes of 'perpetual war' are terrified that the 
> multi-billion-dollar business of war by which the United States 
> maintains its dominance will be undermined if Trump does a deal with 
> Putin, then with China’s Xi Jinping. Their panic at the possibility of 
> the world’s great power talking peace – however unlikely – would be 
> the blackest farce were the issues not so dire.”
>
> https://newmatilda.com/2016/03/23/john-pilger-why-hillary-clinton-is-more-dangerous-than-donald-trump/
>
> —CGE
>
>
>> On Dec 4, 2016, at 11:15 AM, Debra Schrishuhn via Peace 
>> <peace at lists.chambana.net <mailto:peace at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:
>>
>> If it walks like a duck....
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Dec 4, 2016, at 10:17 AM, "Fields, A Belden via Peace" 
>>> <peace at lists.chambana.net <mailto:peace at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Carl,
>>>
>>> Is this an endorsement of Trump?
>>> Belden
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Dec 3, 2016, at 7:58 PM, 'C. G. Estabrook' 
>>>> carl at newsfromneptune.com <mailto:carl at newsfromneptune.com> 
>>>> [sf-core] <sf-core-noreply at yahoogroups.com 
>>>> <mailto:sf-core-noreply at yahoogroups.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> MoveOn and some members of the Stein campaign (but not the Green 
>>>> party) are attempting to use recounts and appeals to make the 
>>>> neoliberal and neoconservative candidate, Hillary Clinton, president.
>>>>
>>>> All major party presidential candidates for 40 years have been both 
>>>> neoliberal (which means more inequality) and neoconservative (which 
>>>> means more war).
>>>>
>>>> For proof, look what the US government has done since the 1970s - 
>>>> in all administrations -  in regard to jobs and war: our jobs - and 
>>>> our military - are sent overseas, for the profits of the American 
>>>> economic elite, the 1%.
>>>>
>>>> Trump is the first major party presidential candidate in that time 
>>>> who isn’t either a neoliberal or a neoconservative. Therefore the 
>>>> US political class - the 1% and their minions in the "permanent 
>>>> government/deep state" - are trying to deny him the presidency, by 
>>>> way of the Electoral College - because he might not continue the 
>>>> Bush-Obama-Clinton policies of war and austerity.
>>>>
>>>> They might succeed.
>>>>
>>>> (BTW, it's NOT the Greens: the Green party said no to flacking for 
>>>> Clinton, as did Green VP nominee Ajamu Baraka; Jill Stein, her 
>>>> campaign manager David Cobb, and Democratic party front group 
>>>> ‘MoveOn' are the ones attempting to deny Trump a majority in the 
>>>> Electoral College.)
>>>>
>>>> —CGE
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Dec 3, 2016, at 6:57 PM, Just Foreign Policy 
>>>>> <naiman at justforeignpolicy.org 
>>>>> <mailto:naiman at justforeignpolicy.org>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear Supporter,
>>>>>
>>>>> Urge Sinai Temple's Alan Cook to lead to help reconcile C-U 
>>>>> communities.
>>>>>
>>>>> Take Action
>>>>>
>>>>> Many communities in Champaign-Urbana were unexpectedly traumatized 
>>>>> by the election of Donald Trump. Now, we need enlightened and 
>>>>> responsible leadership in all corners to help our traumatized 
>>>>> communities reconcile.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hillel said:
>>>>>
>>>>> "If I am not for myself, who will be for me?
>>>>> If I am only for myself, what am I?
>>>>> If not now, when?"
>>>>>
>>>>> "That which is hateful to you, do not do to your fellow. That is 
>>>>> the whole Torah; the rest is the explanation; go and learn."
>>>>>
>>>>> The children of Abraham - fed with the same food, hurt with the 
>>>>> same weapons, subject to the same diseases, healed by the same 
>>>>> means, warmed and cooled by the same winter and summer - need to 
>>>>> be reconciled.
>>>>>
>>>>> Urge Alan Cook to use his leadership position at Sinai Temple to 
>>>>> help chase away darkness and reconcile the children of Abraham in 
>>>>> Champaign-Urbana by signing our petition at MoveOn.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for all you do to help make the house we live in more just,
>>>>>
>>>>> Robert Naiman
>>>>> Just Foreign Policy
>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> Posted by: "C. G. Estabrook" <carl at newsfromneptune.com 
>>>> <mailto:carl at newsfromneptune.com>>
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