[Peace] Good Riddance Killary! Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died"

Wed Nov 9 18:51:15 UTC 2016

Prof. Boyle

I’m currently reading your book "United Ireland Human Rights and International Law”, whereby you take us through the process of establishing the "Irish Potato famine" as a precedent for genocide vs. those that would diminish the deaths of one million people in a crime perpetrated by the British.

I’m only in the first quarter of the book, but I love it because it sets standards and provides arguments that anyone involved in anti-war activities can appreciate.

I am honored to have met you.

Karen Aram

On Nov 9, 2016, at 09:42, Boyle, Francis A <fboyle at illinois.edu<mailto:fboyle at illinois.edu>> wrote:

Defending Civil Resistance Under International Law

       by Francis A. Boyle
       Professor of International Law
       University of Illinois College of Law in Champaign

       Since the Reagan administration's ascent to power in 1981, thousands of American citizens have engaged in various forms of non-violent civil resistance activities in order to protest against distinct elements of U.S. foreign policy that violate basic principles of international law.  These citizen protests have led to numerous arrests and prosecutions by federal, state, and local governments around the country.  The author has given advice, counsel and assistance to individuals and groups who have engaged in acts of non-violent civil resistance directed against several aspects of the U.S. government's foreign policy: the Nuclear Freeze Movement, the Sanctuary Movement, the Anti-Apartheid Movement, the Plowshares, and the Pledge of Resistance, among others.  He has also participated in the defense of individuals who are not part of formal movements but nevertheless resorted to non-violent civil resistance to protest the U.S. government's policies on nuclear weapons, Central America, Southern Africa, and the Middle East.  Because of these experiences, he drew up a set of rules and materials for criminal defense attorneys who seek to defend those who have engaged in acts of non-violent civil resistance by utilizing considerations of international law in the courtroom.  This book should be of interest to all those who are members of these movements, or who are contemplating joining them, in order to inform themselves on the best legal arguments in defense of such activities.  The book contains extensive materials analyzing the illegality of the U.S. government's foreign policies toward nuclear weapons, Central America, Southern Africa, and the Middle East in a manner that can be readily comprehended and used by non-experts as well.

       Defending Civil Resistance Under International Law

       When you "step across the line" at the Nevada Test Site, at a military base or at your local federal building, you are probably protected by International Law.  Our treaties (like the Partial Test Ban Treaty) and the Nuremburg Principles provide you with a legal defense against arrest and imprisonment when you commit acts of "civil resistance" against our government's illegal warmaking.  A number of juries have returned "not guilty" verdicts after hearing this defense.
       The presentation of this defense allows you to educate the jurors, the judge and the prosecutors--maximizing the impact of your action.
       Dr. Francis Boyle's landmark book tells you how to run your own legal defense of civil resistance actions.
       This book is a must for any person who has taken part in a civil resistance action, or who has contemplated doing so.  See how this defense can not only give you your best chance to avoid jail, but can also advance the cause for which you risked arrest.

Francis A. Boyle
Law Building
504 E. Pennsylvania Ave.
Champaign, IL 61820 USA
217-333-7954 (phone)
217-244-1478 (fax)
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Subject: RE: Good Riddance Killary! Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died"

Yeah Jay—Civil Resistance is the way to go!
Fab
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PROTESTING POWER
WAR, RESISTANCE, AND LAW

By Francis A. Boyle

“If you believe Dante may be right, that “the hottest places in hell are reserved for those who, in time of moral crisis, remain neutral,” you need this book…If you are concerned that our country lives by its Constitution and laws, its often-proclaimed principles . . . you too should read this book. . ..If you cherish freedom, here is your chance to learn how much you have. A person ignorant of her rights has little advantage over those who have none,”
—Ramsey Clark, Former U.S. Attorney General

“Francis Boyle, who has distinguished himself again and again as a fierce and brilliant defender of international law and human rights, now takes his mission one step further. He lays out a comprehensive argument in defense of citizens who commit civil resistance to protest illegal governmental aggressions and war crimes. He does so with impeccable research, stylistic elegance, and devastating evidence. This is an invaluable and powerful handbook for citizens who dare to challenge our war-makers,” —Howard Zinn

“In this expert and lucid manual, international lawyer Francis Boyle focuses his attention on civil resistance, a category that he distinguishes sharply from civil disobedience. Civil resistance, he persuasively argues, is a ‘basic right’ of American citizens under international and domestic law, as ‘it is the civil-resisters who are the sheriffs, and the U.S. government officials committing state crimes are the outlaws.’ The historical and legal analysis provides information and understanding of inestimable value to all citizens who care about their country.” —Noam Chomsky

“Francis Boyle has, once again, given us a valuable lesson in current history and invaluable insight into the role that lawyers must now play in defending human rights. He reminds us also that the significant cases are not ‘about the lawyers.’ We lawyers are called upon to give voice to the struggles and aspirations of others. This book will help us learn to play that role,” —Michael F. Tigar, Washington College of Law and Chair, ABA Section of Litigation, 1989-1990

In this indispensable book, distinguished activist lawyer Francis Boyle sounds an impassioned clarion call to citizen action against Bush administration policies, both domestic and international. Especially since the Reagan Administration, hundreds of thousands of Americans have used non-violent civil resistance to protest against elements of U.S. policy that violate basic principles of international law, the United States Constitution, and human rights. Such citizen protests have led to an unprecedented number of arrests and prosecutions by federal, state, and local governments around the country. Boyle, who has spent his career advising and defending civil resisters, explores how international law can be used to question the legality of specific U.S. government foreign and domestic policies. He focuses especially on the aftermath of 9/11 and the implications of the war on Afghanistan, the war on terrorism, the war on Iraq, the doctrine of preventive warfare, and the domestic abridgement of civil rights.

Written for concerned citizens, activists, NGOs, civil resisters, their supporters, and their lawyers, Protesting Power provides the best legal and constitutional arguments to support and defend civil resistance activities. Including a number of compelling excerpts from his own trial appearances as an expert witness and as counsel, the author offers inspirational and practical advice for protesters who find themselves in court. This invaluable book stands alone as the only guide available on how to use international law, constitutional law, and the laws of war to defend peaceful non-violent protesters against governmental policies that are illegal and criminal.

About the Author
Francis Boyle is professor of law at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign. A Harvard law graduate, for the past twenty years he has been involved as lawyer and/or witness in the major cases challenging U.S. defense policy, notably nuclear issues, and, in recent years, preemptive wars. He speaks and writes regularly on civil resistance and antiwar issues.

War and Peace Library series
November 2007, 256 pages
ISBN 0-7425-3892-3 / 978-0-7425-3892-4 $24.95 paper
ISBN 0-7425-3891-5 / 978-0-7425-3891-7 $75.00 cloth

Francis A. Boyle
Law Building
504 E. Pennsylvania Ave.
Champaign, IL 61820 USA
217-333-7954<tel:217-333-7954> (Voice)
217-244-1478<tel:217-244-1478> (Fax)
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Francis A. Boyle
Law Building
504 E. Pennsylvania Ave.
Champaign, IL 61820 USA
217-333-7954 (phone)
217-244-1478 (fax)
(personal comments only)

From: Jay [mailto:futureup2us at gmail.com]
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Subject: Re: Good Riddance Killary! Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died"

I couldn’t agree with you more about HRC demonizing herself. She is a war criminal with a proven record that deserves vilification, and more.
However, I see nothing to celebrate in Trump’s triumph. I think all of us on this email chain recognize and are gearing up for the struggles to come.
I thought you’d be interested in Revolution newspaper’s comment below.
Good news: Students and young people have been out in the streets already! A time for daring, not despair...

Jay

5 a.m., November 9, 2016.
A vile fascist has been elected President of the United States.
There must be no illusions that somehow this will be OK. It won't.
Every immigrant, woman, Black, Latino, Native American, Muslim or differently gendered person... every person who cares about the planet, every person with even an elementary sense of justice and compassion—all over the world—has reason to hurt and be concerned for the future like never before.
All that Trump represents must not stand. Starting today, there must be massive resistance to everything Donald Trump represents and every reactionary measure that he has promised to deliver. This is a time for courage, not despair. Struggle, not retreat, escape or conciliation.
Donald Trump promised to “Make America Great Again.” Hillary Clinton countered that America was already great. The reality: America Was Never Great. This country has been a nightmare from its founding with enslavement of Africans and the genocide of Native Americans, continuing through theft of Mexico and on through the endless wars and invasions of countries and peoples around the world while here at home the horror is unrelenting for tens of millions. The American nightmare is real, and it has just gotten more horrific.
But, this too is real: Donald Trump is a grotesque representative of a system that has a name—capitalism-imperialism—and this system means, and can only mean, misery and horrors for majority of humanity. Through the whole election process this vicious buffoon has been treated as a legitimate candidate for president. Any system that treats such a racist and misogynist fascist as legitimate reveals itself to be illegitimate. There should be no illusions or rationalizations to explain this reality away. And, the fact that there has been and will continue to be such intense ugly infighting among the ruling class reveals a system facing major challenges and in crisis, and potential openings and freedom to be wrenched for the struggle of the people for a radically new and better world.
Trump represents an even more grotesque and openly murderous form of this system, and his attacks against the people should be met with massive resistance. But what is needed will NOT be to return to what has been, continuing the same brutal system, its crimes and horrors.
What is needed and possible is a radically new society, and a radically different kind of state, that will open the way and lead finally to the abolition of all forms of oppressive and repressive rule and all relations of domination and exploitation, throughout the world.
This is a society charted and embodied in the Constitution for the New Socialist Republic in North America. This path-breaking work is authored by Bob Avakian, architect of the new communism, and the leader of the revolution—an ACTUAL revolution, to overthrow this system at the soonest possible time.
HOW WE CAN WIN—How We Can Really Make Revolution<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.revcom.us_a_457_how-2Dwe-2Dcan-2Dwin-2Den.html&d=DQMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=iioab8BLQ6IJxt-3gLhYzf1aAvTbGVgzPJj9W_0ugn0&m=r1qsC1gmeqASzXoU9W8MkwLLrE_NR2NuGQ7gBXQdSkI&s=Rbr_GshKcoULkvBwF8s8p4IrYc7TBG_6B5U8oHkmEhk&e=>, from the Central Committee of the Revolutionary Communist Party, USA starts with this foundational point:
An actual revolution does not mean trying to make some changes withinthis system—it means overthrowing this system and bringing into being a radically different and far better system. This system of capitalism-imperialism cannot be reformed. There is no way, under this system, to put an end to the brutality and murder by police, the wars and destruction of people and the environment, the exploitation, oppression and degradation of millions and billions of people, including the half of humanity that is female, here and throughout the world—all of which is rooted in profound contradictions built into the basic functioning, relations, and structures of this system. Only an actual revolution can bring about the fundamental change that is needed.
This is a time for Daring. People need to be in the streets and getting into, and getting with, the revolution.
See "As news of Trump's election hits: Protests Erupt Across the Country<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.revcom.us_a_464_protests-2Derupt-2Dacross-2Dthe-2Dcountry-2Den.html&d=DQMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=iioab8BLQ6IJxt-3gLhYzf1aAvTbGVgzPJj9W_0ugn0&m=r1qsC1gmeqASzXoU9W8MkwLLrE_NR2NuGQ7gBXQdSkI&s=zxrLYIx9gP_coOJAccCAi3YhvSTRTdxwmHH2xFtHgSI&e=>"

On Nov 9, 2016, at 08:43, C. G. Estabrook <carl at newsfromneptune.com<mailto:carl at newsfromneptune.com>> wrote:

HRC 'demonized’ herself by being an enthusiastic participant in murder on behalf to the US 1% in Serbia, Honduras, Libya, Syria - and planning more.

For the first time in 40 years we have a president(-elect) who’s not a neoconservative (more war) or a neoliberal (more inequality). Clinton is both.

There are of course serious problems with a Trump presidency (climate change at the top of the list) and the War Party won’t go away (we still have two months of Obama) - but the news is surely good for the anti-war movement - and the world at large.

--CGE

On Nov 9, 2016, at 7:14 AM, Bryan Savage <bryan at sneezingdogs.com<mailto:bryan at sneezingdogs.com>> wrote:

did anyone stop to think that demonizing HRC and supporting third parties might actually help put trump in office?  or does everyone on this list have clean hands and a clean conscience and feel that they took no part in electing this:

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take me off this list.

On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 7:08 AM, Karen Aram <karenaram at hotmail.com<mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com>> wrote:
We have to double down our efforts in building the Green Party, given what we are facing. Will Trump demilitarize, as some on the left seem to think? I doubt it. Let’s see who he chooses for his Cabinet. He already has a war monger/fascist style for a running mate.
On Nov 9, 2016, at 04:57, Boyle, Francis A <fboyle at illinois.edu<mailto:fboyle at illinois.edu>> wrote:

For the Greens on the list:Too bad what happened to Jill. I voted for her the last time too.
Fab.

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