[Peace] [Peace-discuss] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times

Wed Jan 4 19:24:13 UTC 2017

I would suggest notice of the nefarious historical revisionism of Timothy Snyder, including articles in the liberal New York Review of Books, that has been ably responded to at the Jacobin website. The fascism analogy is thus strangely accompanied by de-emphasizing Nazi crimes:
https://www.jacobinmag.com/2014/09/timothy-snyders-lies/
https://www.jacobinmag.com/2015/11/timothy-snyder-bialoszewski-memoir-warsaw-uprising/
https://www.jacobinmag.com/2016/08/timothy-snyder-black-earth-bloodlands-holocaust-soviets-nazis/
The Weimar Analogy

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    On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 1:12 PM, "Boyle, Francis A via Peace-discuss" <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:

 And if you think I am joking about the danger of US/Russia war between now and January 20: Remember Obama's Mentor and Guru is Zbigniew Brzezinski since Obama's student days at Columbia. I went through the same PHD Program at Harvard that produced Zbig and Kissinger before me: The Harvard Graduate School of Arts and Sciences, Department of Government-- not the CIA/DOD Harvard  Kennedy School Front Organization. Zbig is a die-hard Russophobe who detests Russia and  the Russians with a passion. This is Zbig's  last chance to get America into a war with Russia:
    It is the Unlimited Imperialists along the lines of Alexander, Rome, Napoleon and Hitler who are now in charge of conducting American foreign policy. The factual circumstances surrounding the outbreaks of both the First World War and the Second World War currently hover like twin  Swords of Damocles over the heads of all humanity.
Fab
Ed Norton Professor of Law
Carl Schmitt College of Law:
"Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!"

Francis A. Boyle
Law Building
504 E. Pennsylvania Ave.
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(personal comments only)

-----Original Message-----
From: Boyle, Francis A 
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 12:59 PM
To: Estabrook, Carl G <galliher at illinois.edu>; Jay <futureup2us at gmail.com>
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Subject: RE: [Peace-discuss] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times

And Obama and the Dems could still set off US  hostilities with Russia between now and January 20. E.G.:
1. Obama's provision of manpads to his jihadi terrorists in Syria that knowingly  can be used to shoot down Russian planes;
2. His Illegal and  Pending  Promise  that he will covertly "retaliate" against Russia over these bogus, warmongering, McCarthyite hacking claims for which he has provided no evidence  except for a DHS/FBI  "report" that is a joke and a fraud and proves his warmongering  intent.
3. His mobilization of US/NATO forces right on the borders of Russia.
Etc.
It is the Unlimited Imperialists along the lines of Alexander, Rome, Napoleon and Hitler who are now in charge of conducting American foreign policy. The factual circumstances surrounding the outbreaks of both the First World War and the Second World War currently hover like twin  Swords of Damocles over the heads of all humanity.

Fab
Ed Norton Professor of Law
Carl Schmitt College of Law:
"Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!"

Francis A. Boyle
Law Building
504 E. Pennsylvania Ave.
Champaign, IL 61820 USA
217-333-7954 (phone)
217-244-1478 (fax)
(personal comments only)

-----Original Message-----
From: Boyle, Francis A
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 10:55 AM
To: Estabrook, Carl G <galliher at illinois.edu>; Jay <futureup2us at gmail.com>
Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK <carl at newsfromneptune.com>; peace <Peace at lists.chambana.net>; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J <vhoffman at illinois.edu>; Miller, Joseph Thomas <jtmiller at illinois.edu>; Szoke, Ron <r-szoke at illinois.edu>; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory <a23h23 at yahoo.com>; David Swanson <davidcnswanson at gmail.com>; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel <davetrippel at ameritech.net>; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne <lina at worldcantwait.net>; chicago at worldcantwait.net
Subject: RE: [Peace-discuss] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times

"...the Dems have always been  hopeless warmongers during my political lifetime which goes back to  the JFK 1960 Campaign."
Since November 9 the Dems have done absolutely nothing but warmonger against Russia. 
Q.E.D.
Fab

Francis A. Boyle
Law Building
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Champaign, IL 61820 USA
217-333-7954 (phone)
217-244-1478 (fax)
(personal comments only)

-----Original Message-----
From: Boyle, Francis A
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 10:34 AM
To: 'Carl G. Estabrook' <galliher at illinois.edu>; Jay <futureup2us at gmail.com>
Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK <carl at newsfromneptune.com>; peace <Peace at lists.chambana.net>; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J <vhoffman at illinois.edu>; Miller, Joseph Thomas <jtmiller at illinois.edu>; Szoke, Ron <r-szoke at illinois.edu>; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory <a23h23 at yahoo.com>; David Swanson <davidcnswanson at gmail.com>; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel <davetrippel at ameritech.net>; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne <lina at worldcantwait.net>; chicago at worldcantwait.net
Subject: RE: [Peace-discuss] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times

"Only strong ideological opposition to the Democratic Party can challenge the madness of the US empire's anti-Russia campaign or any other war being waged by its military institutions."
Dear Carl: I know this is not your Comment. But with all due respect to you, the Dems have always been  hopeless warmongers during my political lifetime which goes back to  the JFK 1960 Campaign. (My Dad was a lawyer who heavily  campaigned for JFK in 1960  and brought me to a political rally at Midway Airport.) The only place the Dems are going to lead us is into World War III--which is exactly what I said at our Anti-Killer Koh  Rally here at the Illinois Nazis Law School  on October 28 if Killer Clinton got elected president  ten days later.  Humanity dodged a bullet on November 8. But I am afraid it was just a Stay of Execution--no thanks to this Illinois Nazi Law Faculty that tried to get Killer Clinton and the Killer  Dems elected by bringing in Killer Koh to campaign for them. Fab.
It is the Unlimited Imperialists along the lines of Alexander, Rome, Napoleon and Hitler who are now in charge of conducting American foreign policy. The factual circumstances surrounding the outbreaks of both the First World War and the Second World War currently hover like twin  Swords of Damocles over the heads of all humanity.
Subject: American Unlimited Imperialism

Historically, this latest eruption of American militarism at the start of the 21st Century is akin to that of America opening the 20th Century by means of the U.S.-instigated Spanish-American War in 1898.  Then the Republican administration of President  William McKinley stole their colonial empire from Spain in Cuba, Puerto Rico, Guam, and the Philippines; inflicted a near genocidal war against the Filipino people; while at the same time illegally annexing the Kingdom of Hawaii and subjecting the Native Hawaiian people (who call themselves the Kanaka Maoli) to near genocidal conditions.  Additionally, McKinley’s military and colonial expansion into the Pacific was also designed to secure America’s economic exploitation of China pursuant to the euphemistic rubric of the “open door” policy.  But over the next four decades America’s aggressive presence, policies, and practices in the “Pacific” would ineluctably pave the way for Japan’s attack at Pearl Harbor on Dec. 7, 194l, and thus America’s precipitation into the ongoing Second World War. Today a century later the serial imperial aggressions launched and menaced by the Republican Bush Jr. administration and now the Democratic Obama administration  are  threatening to set off World War III.
By shamelessly exploiting the terrible tragedy of 11 September 2001, the Bush Jr. administration set forth to steal a hydrocarbon empire from the Muslim states and peoples living in Central Asia and the Persian Gulf and Africa  under the bogus pretexts of (1) fighting a war against international terrorism; and/or (2) eliminating weapons of mass destruction; and/or (3) the promotion of democracy; and/or (4) self-styled “humanitarian intervention”/responsibility to protect.  Only this time the geopolitical stakes are infinitely greater than they were a century ago:  control and domination of two-thirds of the world’s hydrocarbon resources and thus the very fundament and energizer of the global economic system – oil and gas.  The Bush Jr./ Obama  administrations  have  already targeted the remaining hydrocarbon reserves of Africa, Latin America, and Southeast Asia for further conquest or domination, together with the strategic choke-points at sea and on land required for their transportation.  In this regard, the Bush Jr. administration  announced the establishment of the U.S. Pentagon’s Africa Command (AFRICOM) in order to better control, dominate, and exploit both the natural resources and the variegated peoples of the continent of Africa, the very cradle of our human species.  Libya and the Libyans became the first victims to succumb to AFRICOM under the Obama administration. They will not be the last.
This current bout of U.S. imperialism is what my teacher, mentor and friend  Hans Morgenthau denominated “unlimited imperialism” in his seminal work Politics Among Nations (4th ed. 1968, at 52-53): 
“The outstanding historic examples of unlimited imperialism are the expansionist policies of Alexander the Great, Rome, the Arabs in the seventh and eighth centuries, Napoleon I, and Hitler. They all have in common an urge toward expansion which knows no rational limits, feeds on its own successes and, if not stopped by a superior force, will go on to the confines of the political world. This urge will not be satisfied so long as there remains anywhere a possible object of domination–a politically organized group of men which by its very independence challenges the conqueror’s lust for power. It is, as we shall see, exactly the lack of moderation, the aspiration to conquer all that lends itself to conquest, characteristic of unlimited imperialism, which in the past has been the undoing of the imperialistic policies of this kind… “  It is the Unlimited Imperialists along the lines of Alexander, Rome, Napoleon and Hitler who are now in charge of conducting American foreign policy. The factual circumstances surrounding the outbreaks of both the First World War and the Second World War currently hover like twin  Swords of Damocles over the heads of all humanity.

Francis A. Boyle
Law Building
504 E. Pennsylvania Ave.
Champaign, IL 61820 USA
217-333-7954 (phone)
217-244-1478 (fax)
(personal comments only)

-----Original Message-----
From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 10:04 AM
To: Jay <futureup2us at gmail.com>
Cc: Boyle, Francis A <fboyle at illinois.edu>; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK <carl at newsfromneptune.com>; peace <Peace at lists.chambana.net>; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J <vhoffman at illinois.edu>; Miller, Joseph Thomas <jtmiller at illinois.edu>; Szoke, Ron <r-szoke at illinois.edu>; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory <a23h23 at yahoo.com>; David Swanson <davidcnswanson at gmail.com>; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel <davetrippel at ameritech.net>; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne <lina at worldcantwait.net>; chicago at worldcantwait.net
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times

An hysterical attempt by the neoliberal and neoconservative establishment to exert control, one way or another, over a president who became so by criticizing neoliberalism (more inequality) and neoconservatism (more war). 

"Only strong ideological opposition to the Democratic Party can challenge the madness of the US empire's anti-Russia campaign or any other war being waged by its military institutions. The left in the US has struggled for over four decades to crawl out of the Democratic Party's graveyard of social movements. Obama further buried the entire left in the graveyard for two terms.”

http://www.blackagendareport.com/let_the_empire_die

—CGE

> On Jan 4, 2017, at 9:44 AM, Jay <futureup2us at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> From the Call to Action, so much more could be added today since it 
> was drafted some weeks ago. Read more at www.refusefascism.org
> 
> The Presidency of Donald Trump is illegitimate.
> 
> Donald Trump did not win the popular vote. Not even close, he lost by 2.5 million votes. He won the Electoral College – an institution set up in 1787 to protect slavery.  This legacy of the most brutal oppression of Black people has become the means that enabled the election of Trump and Pence.
> 
> More fundamentally, it is the fascist character of the Trump/Pence regime and what they are planning to do which renders it illegitimate and an immoral peril to the future of humanity and the earth itself.                  
> 
> Under the slogan “Make America Great Again,” Donald Trump has viciously attacked Mexicans and Muslims, threatening to register and deport millions, closing borders. He incites fear and hate of all who are “different” – nationalities, religions, or gender. He crudely demeans and degrades women, openly boasting about molesting them. He champions white supremacy and whips up a racist lynch-mob mentality. Trump has mocked the disabled. He is a bellicose militarist, who threatens to use nuclear weapons. He openly advocates war crimes — including torture. He vows to pack the Supreme Court with justices who will take away the right to abortion and gay rights. He denies science – calling climate change a hoax and will wreak devastation on the environment. He has attacked and threatened the press and stirred up his supporters to do the same. He has threatened to strip citizenship for constitutionally protected dissent. Trump has utter contempt for facts and the truth, and consistently lies to advance his agenda. As for the rule of law, Trump went so far as to openly threaten his opponent, Hillary Clinton, not only with jail, but even assassination. By any definition, Donald Trump is a fascist.  He has put together a regime that will carry out this  program, and worse.
> 
> This is fascism and it is a very serious thing. It has direction and momentum that must be stopped before it becomes too late.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jan 4, 2017, at 09:40, Carl G. Estabrook <galliher at illinois.edu> wrote:
>> 
>> "...Trump is not a fascist and in fact bears very few points of comparison with the politics of the 1930s.”
>> 
>> https://livesrunning.wordpress.com/2016/12/05/after-fascism-what/
>> 
>> "Locating Fascism on the Home Map":
>> 
>> http://blackagendareport.com/locating_fascism_on_home_map
>> 
>> —CGE
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 4, 2017, at 8:56 AM, Jay via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Oh, I realize this is hardly the most courageous stand in the face of this proven supporter of the KKK’s nomination. Maybe we can say that it is SO extreme that (even) they felt compelled to speak out against it? 
>>> 
>>> On a very positive note, a powerful statement of NO! We REFUSE to 
>>> accept a fascist America! was published as a full page ad in the New 
>>> York Times today, p. 7 in the national edition, thanks to 1000s of 
>>> people signing it and hundreds donating to get it out around the 
>>> country. We’ll be publishing it in many other outlets as more people 
>>> do the same. If you haven’t yet, I urge you to sign and get 
>>> involved! www.refusefascism.org
>>> 
>>> Jay
>>> 
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>>> 
>> 
> 

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