[Peace] Et tu, Brute? Chris Murphy bashes Obama, Kerry, UN on UNSC Res 2334

[Harry Mickalide]

Could you explain your position more Robert? Right now it seems like this
is what you are saying:

"Sure, it's wrong for Israel to systematically erase Palestinians through
settler-colonialism, but we cannot realistically expect this to stop so
let's veto the UN Security Council for trying to stop it."

On Thu, Dec 29, 2016 at 2:05 PM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace <
peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:

> “...it hardly seems helpful to focus on 'anti-Semitism' among Trump
> advisors…”
>
> Exactly. The task would seem to be to discourage the colonization of the
> Trump administration by the neocons, as they did the Obama administration.
>
> They were frightened by Trump’s opposition to the war party. Let’s
> encourage their fears.
>
> —CGE
>
>
> > On Dec 29, 2016, at 12:26 PM, David Green via Peace <
> peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> >
> > Bob, I get that politicians are afraid of displeasing their Zionist
> donors. Otherwise, I'm not sure what your point is. Perhaps I'm
> experiencing some end-of-the-year density.
> >
> > Nevertheless, look at the comments in response to the NYT editorial, as
> well as the editorial itself:
> >
> > http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/28/opinion/is-israel-
> abandoning-a-two-state-solution.html?action=click&
> pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=opinion-
> c-col-left-region&region=opinion-c-col-left-region&WT.
> nav=opinion-c-col-left-region&_r=0
> >
> > Sort the comments by readers picks. This signals a significant change
> among liberal readers of the NYT. Admittedly, it is provoked mostly by
> their defense of Obama and their opposition to Trump. There is a certain
> superficiality regarding this issue among those who have kept silent during
> the Obama administration; but clearly there are a lot of repressed
> individuals who no longer feel they have anything to lose by criticizing
> Israel. And ironically, with Trump coming into office in reconciliation
> with Russia, he is also provoking sensible and perhaps effective opposition
> to his prospective hardline policy on I/P, including and especially among
> Jews.
> >
> > I can't imagine that this would have transpired with an incoming HRC
> administration.
> >
> > Under these circumstances, it hardly seems helpful to focus on
> "anti-Semitism" among Trump advisors, if that's what anyone is doing, and I
> fear that indeed is what JVP has been doing.
> >
> > Just food for thought.
> >
> > DG
> >
> >
> > On Thursday, December 29, 2016 11:36 AM, Robert Naiman via Peace <
> peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> >
> > I try to tell my ultra-left friends about the terrain we're dealing with
> on I-P in DC. They don't want to hear it. They think I'm being a big bully
> for saying they can't have unicorns and ponies.
> >
> > So. Show don't tell. Exhibit 7,233. The court calls Connecticut Senator
> Chris Murphy to testify. Mr. Progressive Foreign Policy. Mr.
> I-want-to-be-the-Elizabeth-War ren-of-foreign-policy. To his everlasting
> credit, the first Senator to say boo about the Obama Administration's
> support for Saudi Arabia's catastrophic war in Yemen. Enter Chris Murphy.
> >
> > Speaking to MSNBC’s “Morning Joe,” the Senate Foreign Relations
> Committee member said the U.N. is “just fundamentally not a fair forum for
> the Israelis” and that the White House should have vetoed the Security
> Council measure condemning America’s closest ally in the Middle East.
> >
> > [my emphasis]
> >
> > http://www.politico.com/story/ 2016/12/chris-murphy-barack-ob
> ama-john-kerry-israel-donald-t rump-233026
> >
> > Chris Murphy's comment about the UN is pure sophistry, and Chris Murphy,
> as a not-completely-stupid person, surely knows it. Say the Human Rights
> Council is "not a fair forum for the Israelis." Fine. Say the General
> Assembly is "not a fair forum for the Israelis." Fine. The Security Council
> is not the Human Rights Council and is not the General Assembly, and as a
> not-completely-stupid person, Chris Murphy surely knows that. The United
> States of F*ing America has a VETO on the UN Security Council. NOTHING
> HAPPENS at the UN Security Council without US permission, and as a
> not-completely-stupid person, Chris Murphy surely knows that. Not to
> mention the subsidiary fact that to define Britain and France and even
> Russia as "anti-Israel," you have to define "anti-Israel" as "people who
> insist that we eat our vegetables before we can eat our dessert." If the UK
> and France are "anti-Israel," then your spouse who gently tries to suggest
> that maybe you've had enough wine to drink at the party is anti-Semitic.
> >
> > ===
>
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