[Peace] [Peace-discuss] Et tu, Brute? Chris Murphy bashes Obama, Kerry, UN on UNSC Res 2334

Thu Jan 5 18:38:06 UTC 2017

Thanks for the clarification Robert! I indeed wholly misinterpeted you.

On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 12:29 PM, David Green <davegreen84 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> It's also noticeable that the local URGs (ultra-right goyim) don't seem to
> write letters in defense of Israel at all anymore.
>
>
> On Thursday, January 5, 2017 12:15 PM, Carl G. Estabrook <
> galliher at illinois.edu> wrote:
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> True of a good number of us ULGs (ultra-left gentiles) as well. —CGE
>
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> > On Jan 5, 2017, at 12:01 PM, David Green via Peace-discuss <
> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> >
> > Bob, I wasn't the only one confused by your original message, which
> seemed to be aimed at those of us you consider to the left of you in the
> pro-P movement. But you never elaborated on your message or my response to
> it.
> >
> > In any event, I will inform Davis's office workers of my views, as I do
> in person regularly. I will point out to them, among other things, that
> nobody in our local Jewish community publicly expresses support for the
> Trump/Friedman approach.
> >
> > DG
> >
> >
> > On Thursday, January 5, 2017 11:30 AM, Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss <
> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Sorry, I haven't been paying attention to this thread and I have no idea
> what you are talking about and it makes no sense to me.
> >
> > We supported the UNSC resolution against the settlements. We supported
> the Obama/Kerry decision not to veto it. We are pushing back on attacks on
> the UNSC resolution against settlements and we are pushing back on attacks
> on Obama/Kerry for not vetoing it.
> >
> > For example, we did this alert yesterday:
> >
> > Congress: Don't Attack Obama & UN Security Council Opposition to
> Settlements
> > http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/house-dont-attack-obama?r_by=1135580
> >
> > And this morning, we did a call alert to the House on the same topic.
> >
> > Anyone here who cares about this could take half a minute to call Rodney
> Davis and urge him to vote NO on the Royce-Engel resolution attacking the
> UNSC resolution against settlements.
> >
> > Rodney Davis: 202-225-2371 <(202)%20225-2371>
> >
> > For more background detail, see here:
> >
> > Congress: Don't Attack Obama & UN Security Council Opposition to
> Settlements
> > http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/house-dont-attack-obama?r_by=1135580
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> > Robert Naiman
> > Policy Director
> > Just Foreign Policy
> > www.justforeignpolicy.org
> > naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
> > (202) 448-2898 x1 <(202)%20448-2898>
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 11:21 AM, Harry Mickalide via Peace-discuss <
> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> > Could you explain your position more Robert? Right now it seems like
> this is what you are saying:
> >
> > "Sure, it's wrong for Israel to systematically erase Palestinians
> through settler-colonialism, but we cannot realistically expect this to
> stop so let's veto the UN Security Council for trying to stop it."
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 29, 2016 at 2:05 PM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace <
> peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> > “...it hardly seems helpful to focus on 'anti-Semitism' among Trump
> advisors…”
> >
> > Exactly. The task would seem to be to discourage the colonization of the
> Trump administration by the neocons, as they did the Obama administration.
> >
> > They were frightened by Trump’s opposition to the war party. Let’s
> encourage their fears.
> >
> > —CGE
> >
> >
> > > On Dec 29, 2016, at 12:26 PM, David Green via Peace <
> peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > Bob, I get that politicians are afraid of displeasing their Zionist
> donors. Otherwise, I'm not sure what your point is. Perhaps I'm
> experiencing some end-of-the-year density.
> > >
> > > Nevertheless, look at the comments in response to the NYT editorial,
> as well as the editorial itself:
> > >
> > > http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12 /28/opinion/is-israel-abandoni
> ng-a-two-state-solution.html? action=click&pgtype=Homepage&
> clickSource=story-heading& module=opinion-c-col-left-
> region&region=opinion-c-col- left-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-
> col-left-region&_r=0
> > >
> > > Sort the comments by readers picks. This signals a significant change
> among liberal readers of the NYT. Admittedly, it is provoked mostly by
> their defense of Obama and their opposition to Trump. There is a certain
> superficiality regarding this issue among those who have kept silent during
> the Obama administration; but clearly there are a lot of repressed
> individuals who no longer feel they have anything to lose by criticizing
> Israel. And ironically, with Trump coming into office in reconciliation
> with Russia, he is also provoking sensible and perhaps effective opposition
> to his prospective hardline policy on I/P, including and especially among
> Jews.
> > >
> > > I can't imagine that this would have transpired with an incoming HRC
> administration.
> > >
> > > Under these circumstances, it hardly seems helpful to focus on
> "anti-Semitism" among Trump advisors, if that's what anyone is doing, and I
> fear that indeed is what JVP has been doing.
> > >
> > > Just food for thought.
> > >
> > > DG
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thursday, December 29, 2016 11:36 AM, Robert Naiman via Peace <
> peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > I try to tell my ultra-left friends about the terrain we're dealing
> with on I-P in DC. They don't want to hear it. They think I'm being a big
> bully for saying they can't have unicorns and ponies.
> > >
> > > So. Show don't tell. Exhibit 7,233. The court calls Connecticut
> Senator Chris Murphy to testify. Mr. Progressive Foreign Policy. Mr.
> I-want-to-be-the-Elizabeth-War ren-of-foreign-policy. To his everlasting
> credit, the first Senator to say boo about the Obama Administration's
> support for Saudi Arabia's catastrophic war in Yemen. Enter Chris Murphy.
> > >
> > > Speaking to MSNBC’s “Morning Joe,” the Senate Foreign Relations
> Committee member said the U.N. is “just fundamentally not a fair forum for
> the Israelis” and that the White House should have vetoed the Security
> Council measure condemning America’s closest ally in the Middle East.
> > >
> > > [my emphasis]
> > >
> > > http://www.politico.com/story/ 2016/12/chris-murphy-barack-ob
> ama-john-kerry-israel-donald-t rump-233026
> > >
> > > Chris Murphy's comment about the UN is pure sophistry, and Chris
> Murphy, as a not-completely-stupid person, surely knows it. Say the Human
> Rights Council is "not a fair forum for the Israelis." Fine. Say the
> General Assembly is "not a fair forum for the Israelis." Fine. The Security
> Council is not the Human Rights Council and is not the General Assembly,
> and as a not-completely-stupid person, Chris Murphy surely knows that. The
> United States of F*ing America has a VETO on the UN Security Council.
> NOTHING HAPPENS at the UN Security Council without US permission, and as a
> not-completely-stupid person, Chris Murphy surely knows that. Not to
> mention the subsidiary fact that to define Britain and France and even
> Russia as "anti-Israel," you have to define "anti-Israel" as "people who
> insist that we eat our vegetables before we can eat our dessert." If the UK
> and France are "anti-Israel," then your spouse who gently tries to suggest
> that maybe you've had enough wine to drink at the party is anti-Semitic.
> > >
> > > ===
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