[Peace] Et tu, Brute? Chris Murphy bashes Obama, Kerry, UN on UNSC Res 2334

Thu Jan 5 21:20:50 UTC 2017

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On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 11:21 AM, Harry Mickalide via Peace <
peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:

> Could you explain your position more Robert? Right now it seems like this
> is what you are saying:
>
> "Sure, it's wrong for Israel to systematically erase Palestinians through
> settler-colonialism, but we cannot realistically expect this to stop so
> let's veto the UN Security Council for trying to stop it."
>
> On Thu, Dec 29, 2016 at 2:05 PM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace <
> peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>
>> “...it hardly seems helpful to focus on 'anti-Semitism' among Trump
>> advisors…”
>>
>> Exactly. The task would seem to be to discourage the colonization of the
>> Trump administration by the neocons, as they did the Obama administration.
>>
>> They were frightened by Trump’s opposition to the war party. Let’s
>> encourage their fears.
>>
>> —CGE
>>
>>
>> > On Dec 29, 2016, at 12:26 PM, David Green via Peace <
>> peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > Bob, I get that politicians are afraid of displeasing their Zionist
>> donors. Otherwise, I'm not sure what your point is. Perhaps I'm
>> experiencing some end-of-the-year density.
>> >
>> > Nevertheless, look at the comments in response to the NYT editorial, as
>> well as the editorial itself:
>> >
>> > http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/28/opinion/is-israel-abandoni
>> ng-a-two-state-solution.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&
>> clickSource=story-heading&module=opinion-c-col-left-
>> region&region=opinion-c-col-left-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-
>> col-left-region&_r=0
>> >
>> > Sort the comments by readers picks. This signals a significant change
>> among liberal readers of the NYT. Admittedly, it is provoked mostly by
>> their defense of Obama and their opposition to Trump. There is a certain
>> superficiality regarding this issue among those who have kept silent during
>> the Obama administration; but clearly there are a lot of repressed
>> individuals who no longer feel they have anything to lose by criticizing
>> Israel. And ironically, with Trump coming into office in reconciliation
>> with Russia, he is also provoking sensible and perhaps effective opposition
>> to his prospective hardline policy on I/P, including and especially among
>> Jews.
>> >
>> > I can't imagine that this would have transpired with an incoming HRC
>> administration.
>> >
>> > Under these circumstances, it hardly seems helpful to focus on
>> "anti-Semitism" among Trump advisors, if that's what anyone is doing, and I
>> fear that indeed is what JVP has been doing.
>> >
>> > Just food for thought.
>> >
>> > DG
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thursday, December 29, 2016 11:36 AM, Robert Naiman via Peace <
>> peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > I try to tell my ultra-left friends about the terrain we're dealing
>> with on I-P in DC. They don't want to hear it. They think I'm being a big
>> bully for saying they can't have unicorns and ponies.
>> >
>> > So. Show don't tell. Exhibit 7,233. The court calls Connecticut Senator
>> Chris Murphy to testify. Mr. Progressive Foreign Policy. Mr.
>> I-want-to-be-the-Elizabeth-War ren-of-foreign-policy. To his everlasting
>> credit, the first Senator to say boo about the Obama Administration's
>> support for Saudi Arabia's catastrophic war in Yemen. Enter Chris Murphy.
>> >
>> > Speaking to MSNBC’s “Morning Joe,” the Senate Foreign Relations
>> Committee member said the U.N. is “just fundamentally not a fair forum for
>> the Israelis” and that the White House should have vetoed the Security
>> Council measure condemning America’s closest ally in the Middle East.
>> >
>> > [my emphasis]
>> >
>> > http://www.politico.com/story/ 2016/12/chris-murphy-barack-ob
>> ama-john-kerry-israel-donald-t rump-233026
>> >
>> > Chris Murphy's comment about the UN is pure sophistry, and Chris
>> Murphy, as a not-completely-stupid person, surely knows it. Say the Human
>> Rights Council is "not a fair forum for the Israelis." Fine. Say the
>> General Assembly is "not a fair forum for the Israelis." Fine. The Security
>> Council is not the Human Rights Council and is not the General Assembly,
>> and as a not-completely-stupid person, Chris Murphy surely knows that. The
>> United States of F*ing America has a VETO on the UN Security Council.
>> NOTHING HAPPENS at the UN Security Council without US permission, and as a
>> not-completely-stupid person, Chris Murphy surely knows that. Not to
>> mention the subsidiary fact that to define Britain and France and even
>> Russia as "anti-Israel," you have to define "anti-Israel" as "people who
>> insist that we eat our vegetables before we can eat our dessert." If the UK
>> and France are "anti-Israel," then your spouse who gently tries to suggest
>> that maybe you've had enough wine to drink at the party is anti-Semitic.
>> >
>> > ===
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