[Peace] Mark Blyth interviews on Jimmy Dore are well worth watching

Wed Apr 15 17:21:19 UTC 2020

John,

Your statement and analysis is absolutely FANTASTIC !

I am sorry to say that a lot of the negative you detail is true, but accurate nevertheless.

You should post this on Facebook.

Yours in admiration

David Johnson

From: Peace [mailto:peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of Karen Aram via Peace
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 6:54 PM
To: John W.
Cc: Peace Discuss; J.B. Nicholson; Peace
Subject: Re: [Peace] Mark Blyth interviews on Jimmy Dore are well worth watching

Your statement:

"Yes.  And there are those who believe that the implied violence of Malcolm X, Stokely Carmichael, the Black Panthers, and others played a role also.”

is correct, absolutely. 

On Apr 14, 2020, at 16:47, John W. <jbw292002 at gmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 6:08 PM Karen Aram <karenaram at hotmail.com> wrote:

John

If one only looks at the surface and assumes we can push Biden to do the right thing, if we continue to bend the knee to power, taking whatever crumbs of cake the ruling elites throw at us, it’s going to be very bloody. Wait until the economy crashes, crime escalates, gangs roam the streets as starving people become really angry. People are already dying in record numbers from the pandemic and our government owned by corporate capitalists. 

Why do you think FDR gave us the New Deal, because he’s a nice guy?  He did it to save capitalism as he feared a revolution, due to the many people, workers, socialists etc. in the streets protesting, striking, sit downs etc. 

Well, I think he was probably a pretty nice guy, a person of genuine integrity, as was his wife.  And yes, they were desperate times which called for desperate measures.  Intelligent desperate measures.

Why did Johnson de-escalate the war in Vietnam 1968? Because the many people in the streets was an embarrassment internationally, for the ruling elites, and Johnson’s advisors. The revolt by the soldiers and veterans was the final step.

Gandi utilized non violence and it was effective at driving out the British, but the people did take action, sit ins, strikes, blocking traffic, rail transport, putting their lives on the line. 

The civil rights movement, led by MLK, and started years before by CORE and others with sit-ins, is an example of that which works, with nonviolence.

Yes.  And there are those who believe that the implied violence of Malcolm X, Stokely Carmichael, the Black Panthers, and others played a role also.

Why did Nixon end the draft, and give us the EPA? He feared the people in the streets, he feared a revolution.

People don’t have healthcare, jobs, or a living wage, and the Democrat Party isn’t going to give us anything more than what Obama did, because the insurance cos. and pharma cos. own our government, along with our weapons manufacturers, oil cos. etc.

More than they did in the FDR era?

As awful as Trump is, he isn’t the disease he is a symptom of the disease of rot and decay that is our system. 

That is true.  He is a logical culmination of the disease that started at least with Reagan.  So we need a cure for the disease.  And that's what we need to be discussing.  I'm not sure we quite agree on what the disease is, let alone how to eradicate it, but we would agree on most of the symptoms.  But even that is just you and me and a few others.  Many of our fellow citizens are still in elementary school, politically and philosophically.

Unless we have system change the decline will continue. Global warming and nuclear war are the two major threats facing us and the Democrat Party is doing nothing about it, or providing a veneer and watered down versions of what we need. 

Sadly, that's true.

We get a Democrat in power and the liberals all go to sleep, they only wake up when there is a Republican in power. Even then I have to ask what are they doing about anything, other than here in our own little community. We can put on our pink hats and get on buses to DC anytime the DNC provides us, and we feel insulted, or disrespected. Never mind, the people we have slaughtered in our eight wars in less than twenty years, they don’t count, they aren’t white and we only care about the people of color in our own neighborhood. 

We will only have system change when the people insist upon it by getting off the treadmill of insanity, expecting our corrupt electoral system to put in place another individual, who might be kinder to us, if we ask nicely. The Republican and Democrat Party’s both represent the ruling class and the working class ain’t a part of it.

Again, the working class WAS a part of the equation with FDR, and with maybe a handful of other leaders.  But overall, the poor are never, never, never on this earth going to be a major consideration for long.  Hell, all most of them want to do is become the rich so that THEY can run things for their own advantage.

Violence occurs every day when our militarized police shoot us down in the streets, our incarceration of huge numbers of people, with our prison system of for profit, prevents many of the poor from rising up. And, our most profitable business next to financial services is weapons of destruction and war which will be worse, much worse under Biden, or anyone of the current system for that matter.  

The problem today, is we lack a strong labor movement, we have a lot of people who are unemployed thus lacking power. Which is why its up to the many Americans who are politically active to focus on what needs to be done, and its not focusing on elections. 

A strong labor movement again would certainly be nice.  But that's only one factor.  And  when we DID have a strong labor movement, what were most of the rank and file union members doing?  Certainly not advocating for radical change.  They were not Dave Johnsons.  Quite the contrary.  They were luxuriating in their nice new mortgaged homes, driving their shiny cars, watching their color TV, consuming way too much useless crap while enjoying their newly-possible middle class lifestyle.  No revolutionaries they!  I know this intimately.  I was there.  I was one of them.

Occupy had the right idea, as to focus, and if they had been better organized, had stronger cohesive leadership, and a plan, they might not have given up so easily when the police dispersed them in Zukotti park. 

Well, that's what I've been waiting for my entire life - strong cohesive leadership, good organization, and a plan.  Not seeing it, either inside or outside the Democratic party.

Interestingly enough, the Koch-funded Tea Party Republicans HAVE had strong cohesive leadership, good organization, and a long-range plan for the past 40 years.  They've worked the plan ruthlessly, but at the cost of their souls.  Perhaps we should learn from them?

John

On Apr 14, 2020, at 15:14, John W. <jbw292002 at gmail.com> wrote:

On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 7:15 PM Karen Aram via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:

My thoughts on one of the links: 

Aaron is a great journalist and interviewer, but Jimmy is a better analyst. 

Aaron’s suggestion of going with the lesser evil and pushing to the left is very disappointing given we don’t have time for that nonsense, people are dying without jobs, without housing, without healthcare, the last thing we need is another administration subject to the capitalist ruling elites.

  So four more years of tRump then, Karen?  Or is now the time for that violent, bloody revolution we've been dreaming of our whole lives?  

The Intercept maybe good on domestic issues, but they lack credibility on foreign policy, which is critical, is one of the reasons I don’t pay much attention to them anymore. 

> On Apr 13, 2020, at 16:27, J.B. Nicholson via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
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> and Aaron Mate is live now in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dETLYyxgP5g (archived copy is coming soon, no doubt).
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