[Peace] A useful set of opinions and suggestions

Fri May 8 11:25:28 UTC 2020

Yup. As you said, " The important comparison here is not between Biden and
Trump but between Trump and every US president in at least the past 100
years."

Deb

On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 9:43 PM Nelson, Randall L via Peace <
peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:

> I am not happy that Biden will get the Democratic nomination, but if your
> criteria cannot distinguish between Biden and Trump, I would urge you to
> refine your criteria.  The important comparison here is not between Biden
> and Trump but between Trump and every US president in at least the past 100
> years.  In this group Trump is in a class by himself defined by his
> incompetence, untruthfulness, self-centeredness, divisiveness, and
> bigotry.  In his first term, he has caused great damage that will not be
> easy to repair and if given another 4 years, I shudder to think about the
> consequences.  Sometimes a symbolic, protest vote can serve a good
> purpose.  In this case, it has the potential for great harm.
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> Randy Nelson
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> *From:* Peace <peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net> *On Behalf Of *Morton K.
> Brussel via Peace
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 7, 2020 4:55 PM
> *To:* Karen Aram <karenaram at hotmail.com>
> *Cc:* Morton K. Brussel <mkb3 at icloud.com>; Peace <peace at anti-war.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Peace] A useful set of opinions and suggestions
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> The items I mentioned are not bandaids; they are essential for a
> beneficent society. Are these essential features to be debunked, false? As
> for WWIII, I won’t take bets as to who will lead us more likely there.
> Iran? The S China Sea?  I do not relish Trump with his finger on the
> nuclear trigger, pushed forward by Pompeo and associates. As for who is
> pushing or condoning facistic elements, it is hard to imagine Trump and
> company being outdone.
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> Elections are not sufficient, but they are necessary. They can change the
> course of events. Especially this one. As several has pointed out, a Biden
> presidency would be similar to an Obama one, not promising, but not so
> catastrophic as what Trump seems to promise.
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> A major problem that can be mitigated is, for example, climate change and
> environmentalism. You dismiss this cavalierly in not giving Trump his due.
> How about health and employment safety nets?
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> I too like Chris Hedges, most of the time, but he offers no likely
> solutions except  (world?) revolution. I just don’t see it.
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> I have a hard time reconciling moral stances—vote Green— in the present
> conjuncture.
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> On May 7, 2020, at 1:10 PM, Karen Aram via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net>
> wrote:
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> I don’t agree with the statement  “As compromised and bad as Biden and the
> Dems in general are nationally, they are better than the Repubs on many
> crucial, if not all, issues. The environment, equity/justice?, education,
> universal health, climate change, …, some arguable. Better at holding back
> emerging facism.”
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>  This assumption is precisely what must be debunked. They offer band aids
> to stop bleeding from a bullet wound. We need much more to prevent WW3, and
> or the catastrophic conditions many are facing due to global warming, etc.
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> As long as people believe there is hope in elections, as long as they
> believe removal of Trump will solve the major problems, they will do
> nothing. This is the major reason we aren’t successful mobilizing an active
> populace opposing our corporate capitalist government. Incremental death as
> applied by the Dems. in power maybe preferable to the crashing bomb being
> dropped on us by the Trump administration but it is like a snowball rolling
> down a hill, gathering momentum with time.
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> Chris Hedges is another one who agrees with me, there are many others,
> we’re simply not hearing from them.
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> As to elections, vote third Party, support a non corporate owned Party
> with a platform that is more likely to solve problems than support them.
> Resist, rather than conform, if we look at history it was resistance that
> brought about positive change, not conformity to those in power.
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> On May 7, 2020, at 09:38, Morton K. Brussel <mkb3 at icloud.com> wrote:
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> You will be interested in a debate/exchange/discussion between Paul Jay
> and ?? Prasad, who takes your position. This debate is also available on
> Jay’s new outlet.
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> The question not answered to my satisfaction is what to do about the
> coming election? Ignore it, and wait for better opportunities, or realize
> that another four years of Trump administration can be world shaking, one
> way or the other. Chomsky understands and worries about this; he is not
> alone.   Prasad says “we" just have to work harder to assemble a truly
> militant and progressive mass who could swing things towards a more
> promising world for most of its population. Yet, he is not optimistic that
> it can be done!. So what to do *now*? As compromised and bad as Biden and
> the Dems in general are nationally, they are better than the Repubs on many
> crucial, if not all, issues. The environment, equity/justice?, education,
> universal health, climate change, …, some arguable. Better at holding back
> emerging facism.
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> It’s a pretty dreadful situation we are all facing, agravated now with the
> pandemic and its foreboding consequences.
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> On May 7, 2020, at 9:14 AM, Karen Aram via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net>
> wrote:
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> Sorry, but I found the article very disappointing. Paul Jay is little
> different than Chomsky, with his support for Biden “as the lesser evil.”
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> They do a great job of defining the problem, but their recommended
> solutions support the very problem defined.
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> This continuation of support for the Democrat Party, I’m referring to the
> federal government, not local which is a different topic all together,
> because the Republican Party is so awful, given they are basically one and
> the same, differing only in respect to strategy and tactics, keeps liberals
> in fantasy land, and on their asses arguing over which team is better as if
> a football game, and every four years voting, which is also a joke, given
> the corruption involved in our so called democracy.
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> The statement: * "Before Covid-19, as the primaries were held, the
> economy appeared to be robust and enough people were doing well enough to
> avoid social unrest. Fear of Trump and a full court press against Sanders
> waged by the Democratic Party establishment and its media allies, made
> people reluctant to break from conventional politics. It swung the vote to
> Biden,”*
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> is the most accurate portrayal of US electoral politics. It is the goal of
> the DNC ruling elites to prevent social unrest, which could possibly result
> in system change. Make no mistake there will be social unrest, the
> disenfranchised will break out in anarchy, and violence resulting in chaos
> and destruction unless middle class liberals join up with those suffering
> inequality and whats to come, in changing our system of capitalism which is
> responsible for all.
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> Yes, there needs to be a plan, organized with an agenda for what takes
> place after, as well as leadership. There are organizations offering such,
> and only if they join together in common cause utilizing civil resistance
> with protests, marches, strikes, sit downs, preventing business as usual,
> focusing not on one person in the WH, but Congress, Wall St., the banks,
> etc……….
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> On May 6, 2020, at 18:31, Morton K. Brussel via Peace <
> peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
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> By Paul Jay.
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> https://theanalysis.news/commentary/covid-19-get-ready-for-the-coming-storm/
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