[Peace] A useful set of opinions and suggestions

Fri May 8 12:18:42 UTC 2020

Really Deb ?

As bad as Trump is, what damage he has dome is NOTHING in comparison to the damage that Ronald Reagan did or G.W. Bush, the WAR CRIMINAL whose image the Neo-Liberal Democrats are trying to whitewash and rehabilitate. Oh, and since you mentioned the time frame of 100 years , let’s compare Trump to Richard Nixon, who not only contributed to the unnecessary death and dismemberment of tens of thousands of Americans but also MILLIONS of S.E. Asians and let’s not forget the REAL crime of WATERGATE, as opposed to the debunked and discredited evidence free conspiracy theory of Russia gate.

But also lets not forget that the extremely destructive and harmful policies enacted by Ronald Reagan ( that we are still living with to this very day ) that were not only continued but EXPNADED by Bill Clinton, and likewise the horrible policies of G.W. Bush that were enacted were continued and EXPANDED by OBAMA !

IF you want to debate the specific policies I would be more than happy to do so.  

So let’s compare Biden to TRUMP, because the similarities are uncanny ;

Biden is a pathological liar, a racist, and a misogynist sexual predator just like Trump.

Biden supported segregation and opposed busing, 

Biden supported the drug war and the crime bill of mass incarceration.

Biden supported cutting ( REPEATEDLY over the years ) Social Security and Medicare, and OPPOSES Medicare for All

Biden not only voted for the invasion of Iraq, but was a cheerleader for the invasion and praised Bush for his “ leadership “.

Biden is a war monger and an imperialist to his core.

Biden opposes a national $ 15 per hour minimum wage and the federal legalization of marijuana.

Biden supports job destroying corporate trade treaties and opposes the repeal of the anti-Union Taft Hartley Act

Biden opposes the Green New Deal

Biden opposes free post high school education and student debt forgiveness

BOTH the Republican and the Democratic parties are corporate funded and have been for quite some time. The ruling class has control of both of these political parties and hence they will always do the bidding of their corporate donors and not what the people need and want.

The recent crushing of Bernie Sanders campaign is PROOF that change for the better within the corporate financed and controlled Democratic party is not possible. The ONLY solution is a non-corporate “ Peoples “ Party that is controlled and propelled by a mass movement of REAL opposition ( NOT phony hashtag so called “ Resistance “ ) to the BI-PARTISAN corporate ruling class oligarchy. The ones who actually rule this country NOT the U.S. President, who will do NOTHING without the consent of the majority of the corporate ruling class oligarchy.

David Johnson

From: Peace [mailto:peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of Debra Schrishuhn via Peace
Sent: Friday, May 08, 2020 6:25 AM
To: Nelson, Randall L
Cc: Karen Aram; Morton K. Brussel; Peace
Subject: Re: [Peace] A useful set of opinions and suggestions

Yup. As you said, " The important comparison here is not between Biden and Trump but between Trump and every US president in at least the past 100 years."

Deb

On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 9:43 PM Nelson, Randall L via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:

I am not happy that Biden will get the Democratic nomination, but if your criteria cannot distinguish between Biden and Trump, I would urge you to refine your criteria.  The important comparison here is not between Biden and Trump but between Trump and every US president in at least the past 100 years.  In this group Trump is in a class by himself defined by his incompetence, untruthfulness, self-centeredness, divisiveness, and bigotry.  In his first term, he has caused great damage that will not be easy to repair and if given another 4 years, I shudder to think about the consequences.  Sometimes a symbolic, protest vote can serve a good purpose.  In this case, it has the potential for great harm.  

Randy Nelson

From: Peace <peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net> On Behalf Of Morton K. Brussel via Peace
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 4:55 PM
To: Karen Aram <karenaram at hotmail.com>
Cc: Morton K. Brussel <mkb3 at icloud.com>; Peace <peace at anti-war.net>
Subject: Re: [Peace] A useful set of opinions and suggestions

The items I mentioned are not bandaids; they are essential for a beneficent society. Are these essential features to be debunked, false? As for WWIII, I won’t take bets as to who will lead us more likely there. Iran? The S China Sea?  I do not relish Trump with his finger on the nuclear trigger, pushed forward by Pompeo and associates. As for who is pushing or condoning facistic elements, it is hard to imagine Trump and company being outdone. 

Elections are not sufficient, but they are necessary. They can change the course of events. Especially this one. As several has pointed out, a Biden presidency would be similar to an Obama one, not promising, but not so catastrophic as what Trump seems to promise.

A major problem that can be mitigated is, for example, climate change and environmentalism. You dismiss this cavalierly in not giving Trump his due. How about health and employment safety nets?

I too like Chris Hedges, most of the time, but he offers no likely solutions except  (world?) revolution. I just don’t see it. 

I have a hard time reconciling moral stances—vote Green— in the present conjuncture.

On May 7, 2020, at 1:10 PM, Karen Aram via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:

I don’t agree with the statement  “As compromised and bad as Biden and the Dems in general are nationally, they are better than the Repubs on many crucial, if not all, issues. The environment, equity/justice?, education, universal health, climate change, …, some arguable. Better at holding back emerging facism.” 

 This assumption is precisely what must be debunked. They offer band aids to stop bleeding from a bullet wound. We need much more to prevent WW3, and or the catastrophic conditions many are facing due to global warming, etc. 

As long as people believe there is hope in elections, as long as they believe removal of Trump will solve the major problems, they will do nothing. This is the major reason we aren’t successful mobilizing an active populace opposing our corporate capitalist government. Incremental death as applied by the Dems. in power maybe preferable to the crashing bomb being dropped on us by the Trump administration but it is like a snowball rolling down a hill, gathering momentum with time. 

Chris Hedges is another one who agrees with me, there are many others, we’re simply not hearing from them. 

As to elections, vote third Party, support a non corporate owned Party with a platform that is more likely to solve problems than support them. Resist, rather than conform, if we look at history it was resistance that brought about positive change, not conformity to those in power. 

On May 7, 2020, at 09:38, Morton K. Brussel <mkb3 at icloud.com> wrote:

You will be interested in a debate/exchange/discussion between Paul Jay and ?? Prasad, who takes your position. This debate is also available on Jay’s new outlet. 

The question not answered to my satisfaction is what to do about the coming election? Ignore it, and wait for better opportunities, or realize that another four years of Trump administration can be world shaking, one way or the other. Chomsky understands and worries about this; he is not alone.   Prasad says “we" just have to work harder to assemble a truly militant and progressive mass who could swing things towards a more promising world for most of its population. Yet, he is not optimistic that it can be done!. So what to do now? As compromised and bad as Biden and the Dems in general are nationally, they are better than the Repubs on many crucial, if not all, issues. The environment, equity/justice?, education, universal health, climate change, …, some arguable. Better at holding back emerging facism. 

It’s a pretty dreadful situation we are all facing, agravated now with the pandemic and its foreboding consequences.

On May 7, 2020, at 9:14 AM, Karen Aram via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:

Sorry, but I found the article very disappointing. Paul Jay is little different than Chomsky, with his support for Biden “as the lesser evil.” 

They do a great job of defining the problem, but their recommended solutions support the very problem defined.

This continuation of support for the Democrat Party, I’m referring to the federal government, not local which is a different topic all together, because the Republican Party is so awful, given they are basically one and the same, differing only in respect to strategy and tactics, keeps liberals in fantasy land, and on their asses arguing over which team is better as if a football game, and every four years voting, which is also a joke, given the corruption involved in our so called democracy. 

The statement: "Before Covid-19, as the primaries were held, the economy appeared to be robust and enough people were doing well enough to avoid social unrest. Fear of Trump and a full court press against Sanders waged by the Democratic Party establishment and its media allies, made people reluctant to break from conventional politics. It swung the vote to Biden,”

is the most accurate portrayal of US electoral politics. It is the goal of the DNC ruling elites to prevent social unrest, which could possibly result in system change. Make no mistake there will be social unrest, the disenfranchised will break out in anarchy, and violence resulting in chaos and destruction unless middle class liberals join up with those suffering inequality and whats to come, in changing our system of capitalism which is responsible for all. 

Yes, there needs to be a plan, organized with an agenda for what takes place after, as well as leadership. There are organizations offering such, and only if they join together in common cause utilizing civil resistance with protests, marches, strikes, sit downs, preventing business as usual, focusing not on one person in the WH, but Congress, Wall St., the banks, etc……….

On May 6, 2020, at 18:31, Morton K. Brussel via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:

By Paul Jay. 

https://theanalysis.news/commentary/covid-19-get-ready-for-the-coming-storm/
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