[Peace] My letter to the local news:

[John W.]

Right you are, Karen.  This has been an excellent discussion - not just
today but for the past couple of weeks.  Very rational, civilized,
science-based.   I still don't like geese, but some of you have changed my
mind 180 degrees about the best way to deal with the situation.  Thank you.
I wish you all success with the Urbana Park District.

John Wason



On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 3:42 PM kmedina67 via Peace <
peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:

>  Well done Susan!
>
>
> Whoa, one of Jan Predmore's paragraphs basically says, "genocide works"
> !
>
> Well, yes, genocide does work. But it is WRONG.
>
> Basically, the park district built the ideal nursery for Canadian Geese.
> Short grass, a gentle non-rocky slope between the water and the grass,
> water, easy flight into the pond, and a complete lack of preditors
> (including black bear, bobcat, and rat snakes, and people (it is illegal to
> hunt Canadian Geese)). And then the park district blames the geese?
>
> All we are saying is killing the geese is not the answer. More geese will
> come. Because it is an ideal place for geese.
>
> Changing the ideal geese conditions is one thing that should be done. 1)
> Plant taller native grasses that go right up to the pond. 2) make the slope
> a bit steeper (and more like a natural pond).
>
> Change the pond part of the park from being entirely people- centric to
> more wildlife centric. Surround the pond with native trees, native plants.
> The geese will find it less ideal (it is harder to land when there are
> trees near the pond, preditors might be hiding in the tall grasses) the
> other wildlife will increase.
>
> This is a long term solution.
>
> Slaughter is a short-term solution.
>
> - Karen Medina
> "The really great make you feel that you, too, can become great" - Mark
> Twain
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Susan Parenti via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net>
> Date: 5/24/20 14:52 (GMT-06:00)
> To: "Predmore, Janice C" <jan at illinois.edu>
> Cc: Peace List <peace at lists.chambana.net>, Karen Aram <
> karenaram at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Peace] My letter to the local news:
>
> Hello Jan and other friends and acquaintances—
>
> What Karen and other letter-writers are pointing out is NOT an argument
> that there is no over-population of the geese—yes, we completely join you
> in seeing one of the problems as over-population. What we are pointing out
> is the means by which the overpopulation is addressed by UPD—culling, or
> killing—when there are new, humane and successful ways to influence the
> overpopulation. Viktoria Ford spent considerable time with Derek Liebert,
> and with the organization GeesePeace, describing the humane and effective
> way they (Geese Peace) control overpopulation. Our group of ’save the geese
> urbana’ has found numerous examples of communities about our size, who have
> used effective and humane means to control overpopulation.
>
> Secondly,UPD gave us 11 days April 27 to May 9th, to participate in
> ‘public dialogue’ (via a 6 question survey), then had a vote, and that was
> it. They, the UPD, have been working on this culling step for three years.
> We had11 days—they’ve had 1,095 days.
>
> I applaud Karen for making connections in ways many of us wouldn’t.
>
> Please join us in a rally around the geese this Tuesday, May26, 12 noon to
> 1pm, at the corner of park and Broadway. (People must wear masks, keep 6
> feet away). We hope to have a mike or megaphone, and will welcome all the
> varieties of opinions that people may have. We’re not looking for
> agreement—we’re looking for time and space for Community dialogue. Which
> our hardworking and thoughtful park personnel do not offer. We’re also
> inviting the park District personnel to attend and to speak with us, answer
> questions.
>
> Warmly, also without malice—
> Susan Parenti
>
> > On May 24, 2020, at 2:32 PM, Predmore, Janice C via Peace <
> peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> >
> > Your letter is wide ranging, drawing in several topics that seem off
> topic.  We’re contemplating a burgeoning flock of geese in our park.
> >
> > That the suggestion of removing a part of the flock has you thinking
> about recent wars (which I agree are awful & disgusting) is unfair to press
> on our park board as their responsibility to somehow ameliorate.
> >
> > My reaction to your claim that draconian measures to control population
> has never been effective ... just think back to your years in this area and
> count how many black bear, bobcat, common rat snake, and for that matter
> how many Native American families are you aware of ?
> >
> > In my opinion the numbers of Canada Goose in Crystal Lake park must be
> reduced.  There will remain enough so that we can enjoy both them and the
> park. I support our hard working & thoughtful park personnel in the
> decision to reduce the flock numbers .
> >
> > Without malice,
> > Jan
> >
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