[Peace] Executions

Thu Jan 14 14:10:19 UTC 2021

John

Your point of view was not counter to mine.

In spite of the Federal government placing the death penalty back on the table in a recent legal case in Illinois I referred to, I was criticizing the lack of uniformity in state laws, as Margaret Kimberly opposes the lack of uniformity in electoral rules and regulations. 

So often cries for greater autonomy and decentralization for local communities ignore the fact that abuse due to decentralization occurs and goes unnoticed in the US, as well as other nations.  Especially large nations where  the local authorities are often guilty of abusive behavior, not following the rule of law. The central governments being brought in to curb the abuse only when the victims are able to make their complaints known.

“Sundowner towns” in Illinois not so long ago, was clearly a case of local community abuse of power. 

Perhaps focus on national issues should be paramount rather than the usual local which is the trend, and often leaves us with a myopic view of society. Maybe this is why we are where we are today with people ignoring the fact that the US, as a nation is the most violent in the world having destroyed as many as eight nations in less than twenty years, with our taxes going to support the military in preference to the people with adequate infrastructure, healthcare, and housing, as we remain comfortable in our communities. Only now, is reality hitting us full force.
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Your example of the Federal government having to be brought in to enforce  civil rights in the south is a good one I have also used for years when hearing people complain about the Feds, but the potential for violence when the Feds send in the military is a frightening ordeal we’re faced with now, I believe due to a lack of focus on national issues. 

> On Jan 14, 2021, at 03:51, John W. <jbw292002 at gmail.com> wrote:
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> On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 10:01 PM C. G. Estabrook <carl at newsfromneptune.com <mailto:carl at newsfromneptune.com>> wrote:
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> John—
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> Wouldn’t it have been better if the slaveowners had lost their “War of Independence” (1775-83)?
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> Slavery would have been abolished in the British North American colonies as it was throughout the British empire.
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> —CGE
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> Eventually.  Slavery wasn't abolished in Britain and her empire until 1833.
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> https://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/HistoryofBritain/Abolition-Of-Slavery/  <https://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/HistoryofBritain/Abolition-Of-Slavery/>
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>  
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> > On Jan 13, 2021, at 2:28 PM, John W. <jbw292002 at gmail.com <mailto:jbw292002 at gmail.com>> wrote:
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> > On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 1:21 PM Karen Aram <karenaram at hotmail.com <mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com>> wrote:
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> > Tragically, the two men also on death row will likely be executed as well within the next couple days. 
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> > I’m glad to live in a state where such barbarism has been outlawed. Though the Federal gov., under the Trump administration over ruled and placed the death penalty on the table for a recent case. 
> > Thankfully, the good people of Illinois chose to ignore it, and gave the monster killer, life instead. 
> > 
> > As Margaret Kimberly of the Black Agenda report pointed out recently in respect to US electoral laws, we have so many laws, procedures, rules etc. within each state differing from one another, that keeps us separated within the nation, we need some uniformity. 
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> > Not her exact words, but its obvious that these differing state laws of which the death penalty is one, make it extremely difficult to achieve progress when the battles must be continually fought and won over decades.
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> > Well, it's interesting.  For every point of view, there's a countervailing point of view.
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> > As one who studied law formally, I absolutely hated the complexity of 50 different sets of state laws, overlaid and often contradicted by the federal law.  It's a mess, and makes everything infinitely more complicated, more labrynthine, ultimately more incomprehensible.  
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> > The idea originally was that the autonomy of the states would keep the federal government from growing too all-powerful.  We've seen how the states' autonomy has eroded over the years, both for good and ill.  (The Civil Rights Movement wouldn't have been possible without federal intervention.)  Sadly, the only people who are upset about it are those still fighting on the losing side of the Civil War.
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> > I honestly would have liked to see the South secede and become a separate country, albeit without slavery.  The North would have done just fine without them.  But that's a separate conversation.
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> > John
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> >  
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> >> On Jan 13, 2021, at 05:15, Debra Schrishuhn <deb.pdamerica at gmail.com <mailto:deb.pdamerica at gmail.com>> wrote:
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> >> Sadly, tragically, no.
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> >> https://www.indystar.com/story/news/crime/2021/01/12/lisa-montgomery-execution-once-again-set-take-place/6635726002/ <https://www.indystar.com/story/news/crime/2021/01/12/lisa-montgomery-execution-once-again-set-take-place/6635726002/>
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> >> On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 12:40 AM John W. via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net <mailto:peace at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:
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> >> Yay!!   We won!!  We did it!!!  By the time her competency hearing is finished, Joe Biden will have hopefully suspended federal executions once again!
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> >> On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 7:19 PM C. G. Estabrook via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net <mailto:peace at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:
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> >> https://www.npr.org/2021/01/12/955984890/judge-blocks-execution-of-only-woman-on-federal-death-row <https://www.npr.org/2021/01/12/955984890/judge-blocks-execution-of-only-woman-on-federal-death-row>
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