[RFU] Re: [Rfu-barnraising] Re: {leti} Re: the automation question
Phil Stinard
pstinard at hotmail.com
Thu Oct 27 18:00:04 CDT 2005
I expressed concerns about streaming at last night's barnraising meeting,
but apparently to no avail, since no one is addressing the concerns I
expressed. My concerns are: (1) cost of recurring licensing fees, and (2)
restrictions on content (number of songs by a particular artist or from a
particular album). I hear people saying that the FCC rules and licensing
rules don't matter, but I'm not willing to take that chance. Do you want
WRFU to lose its license to broadcast if someone decides to get legalistic
on us? If someone gives us the money and we can stream, fine, but if I have
content that is not allowed, as I certainly will, I'll just turn the stream
off during my program. I trust we will at least have that option.
--Phil
>From: Sascha Meinrath <sascha at ucimc.org>
>To: Andrew Ó Baoill <andrew at funferal.org>
>CC: leti <leti at lists.prometheusradio.org>,WRFU Mailing list
><rfu at lists.groogroo.com>,rfu barnraising
><rfu-barnraising at lists.chambana.net>
>Subject: [RFU] Re: [Rfu-barnraising] Re: {leti} Re: the automation question
>Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 16:44:25 -0500
>
>Hi all,
>
>Andrew and I should go grab a beer so I can get a better feel for his
>concerns; but I and other folks are definitely interested in setting up
>streaming. I'm not sure I buy that streaming would necessarily negatively
>impact the quality and/or community grounding of the station -- at WEFT, we
>streamed for quite some time and only stopped because the price increased.
>I haven't heard of any negative repercussions from streaming, and unless
>someone can make the case the WRFU would be differentially impacted, I
>think WEFT provides us with a fairly good (local) precedent. Also, just so
>it's noted somewhere, we decided at last night's Barnraising meeting to do
>streaming during the Barnraising, that part of things is a go.
>
>Either way, I think there's a core group of folks who would be very
>interested in learning about streaming and how to set this sort of system
>up -- so we should definitely do that. Long-term, it could be that WRFU
>decides not to stream their signal; however, other stations (such as WEFT)
>may be interested and this is an opportunity to demonstrate how this works.
> Since we already have a server infrastructure available through the IMC,
>I think it makes all the sense in the world for us to set this up for the
>Barnraising and see what happens down the road.
>
>--Sascha
>
>Andrew Ó Baoill wrote:
>>I appreciate your suggestion. However, there are numerous reasons that
>>WRFU has not yet decided to do this.
>>
>>First, WRFU will truly be a bare-bones station. We actually don't have
>>the cash to run our basic service, let alone to commit ourselves to the
>>additional copyright fees associated with streaming. WRFU and the IMC
>>only have limited bandwidth available, so streaming would be a heavy
>>load, or require rental of additional bandwidth.
>>
>>Second, some of us have concerns about the impact that streaming has on
>>the nature of a community radio station. Since WRFU is an autonomous
>>consensus-based operation, it is important that we examine this issue and
>>come to agreement among ourselves before moves are made on this issue.
>>
>>Third, about those concerns. Jon Bekken, in an essay in Seizing the
>>Airwaves, mentions in passing the impact that increased power (and
>>therefore range) has on the role that a community station plays, using
>>our local WEFT as an example. Not all the concerns raised there follow
>>through to internet streams, but many do. With all due respect, WRFU is a
>>station for Urbana, not for the next town over. As far as I am concerned,
>>we are concerned, primarily, with providing space for self-expression by
>>members of our community. Some see community radio as more concerned with
>>providing content to listeners, and in this case streaming to the world
>>can be seen as a benefit. For those who want a station to be firmly
>>anchored in its community - either in terms of content produced, or in
>>being a space in which all listeners can aspire to becoming an active
>>participant, streaming becomes more problematic. For some more detailed,
>>if still preliminary, thoughts on issues raised by these technologies you
>>can see my recent post:
>>http://funferal.org/mt-archive/001098.html
>>or an earlier article, concerned more particularly with digital radio in
>>Europe:
>>http://www.tuppenceworth.ie/ArtsEnt/radiodab.html
>>
>>Fourth, running a webstream for the special event that is the
>>barnraising, may differ, and is something we can examine at WRFU's
>>meeting this Tuesday. Of course, while it could be a useful publicity
>>element of the barnraising, it could also undermine the station's ongoing
>>policy, should it adopt one.
>>
>>Andrew
>>
>>On 27 DFómh 2005, at 15:49, Andy Gunn wrote:
>>
>>>i _highly_ recommend that you stream your signal over the internet. if
>>>you don't, you are cutting out a potentially huge audience. your signal
>>>is only 100 watts, so people in even the next town over may not be able
>>>to hear you. with a stream - they will have the option of tuning in at
>>>least when they are by a computer with an ethernet connection.
>>>
>>>i really think the fees are minimal - a few hundred dollars a year. i
>>>know many stations that stream without any legal troubles whatsoever,
>>>and some of them don't pay the fees at all.
>>>
>>>it will be a relatively simple task to set up a streaming encoder during
>>>the barnraising - we will have techs running all over the place who will
>>>want things to do. i would ask that at bare minimum, we set up a
>>>computer to stream the launch of the station - we can publicize it on
>>>our sites and tell people to tune in via email. if you want to turn it
>>>off after the barnraising, that is up to you.
>>>
>>>-a
>>>
>>>
>>>On Wed, 26 Oct 2005, andrew baoill wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>We've left streaming to one side for the moment, for both practical
>>>>reasons, and because some of us have broader philosophical concerns
>>>>about the issue.
>>>>
>>>>While the donation is welcome, can we wait until after the
>>>>barnraising to engage with this issue? I would like to give the topic
>>>>the attention it deserves, but there are so many other things at the
>>>>moment I don't think we have time to take on additional issues.
>>>>
>>>>Andrew
>>>>
>>>>On 26 DFómh 2005, at 14:32, Sascha Meinrath wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>>The Acorn Active Media Foundation is planning to donate use of one
>>>>>of our servers for streaming (and integrating this into the CUWiN
>>>>>wireless network). We have some parameters we're operating under
>>>>>but would also love help setting this up to your specs. We've just
>>>>>finished building the system and making sure it takes the server
>>>>>software we're loading onto it. We'll probably follow something
>>>>>along the lines of:
>>>>>
>>>>>http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/LinuxTutorialAudioStreaming.html
>>>>>
>>>>>But if there are techies on the list who would like to be involved
>>>>>with this effort (especially during the craziness of the
>>>>>barnraising), drop me a line.
>>>>>
>>>>>In solidarity,
>>>>>
>>>>>--Sascha
>>>>>
>>>>>Andrew Ó Baoill wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>You would take an output from the console and feed it to an input
>>>>>>on the soundcard if you wanted to record the station (or other
>>>>>>console output) onto the computer, or to create a webstream, etc.
>>>>>>Andrew
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>--
>>>
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>>>| andy at prometheusradio.org 215-727-9620 |
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