[IMC-US] A good point about open publishing

Tue Jul 20 23:14:37 CDT 2004

The point about needing "quadruple" the people working on it is a 
real concern. Anyone willing to step up to do that work?

We'll also need a much more complicated and detailed editorial 
policy, since we'll wind up with a small group of people deleting a 
lot of posts.

Josh

At 8:53 PM -0700 7/20/04, ana wrote:
>Hmmm. that is weird. i was sure we had somethign different in there about OP
>because it was a concern when we had a caucus at the AMC last year and the
>draft that came out of that had a different clause about op. but i guess
>something changed.
>
>i just found the original proposal we sent to newimc and it seems vague, as
>in it wasnt decided entirely.
>http://archives.lists.indymedia.org/new-imc/2003-August/004310.html
>
>First it says (which i wrongfully remembered as saying 'might' follow
>global's model):
>
>"The suggested format for the US site is a syndicated newswire of US-
>features, much like the global site syndicates features from IMCs around
>the world.  Syndication was chosen specifically as the recommended format
>due to problems of open-publishing newswire abuse and following the
>precendent set on the global Indymedia website (i.e., the open newswire
>will be available off the main page). 
>
>and then it says:
>
>EDITORIAL:  The editorial group will be responsible for newswire
>maintenance (if an open newswire is part of the site) and feature
>writing/compiling/editing.
>
>So, maybe it wasnt completely decided yet. I dont remember. But I also dont
>want to hold this process up any more.  So, while i dont think it is a good
>idea at all to have an op function on the site, I wont block having it as
>an option.
>
>It hurts though, because i think peopel will be attracted to the "broader
>exposure" of a national site and the tendency might go towards not posting
>on local sites anymore. A real shame. Additionally, we will need
>*quadruple* the amount of peopel working on site mantainance to monitor the
>wire and take off racist posts, etc.
>
>And lastly could someone working on code check to see if stories would still
>get picked up by google news with an op wire on it. Either way, we should
>make sure the site is being built to facilitate getting picked up on google
>news. i know democracy now has had real issues with that because it wasnt
>thought of before hand. im sorry if i missed posts about this already. but
>has anyone looked into that at all?
>
>gnight all.
>ana
>
>
>
>
>Quoting john duda <john at manifestor.org>:
>
>>  On Mon, Jul 19, 2004 at 11:45:11PM -0400, Ana wrote:
>>  >
>>  > Re New imc process:  I believe it was in our application that we would
>>  not
>>  > have open publishing, precisely because of local IMC concerns that we
>>  were
>>  > taking their local traffic away.
>>
>>  could you point me to the documents?  i've been having a really hard
>>  time trying to trace out the imc-us approval process due to broken
>>  mailman links in the archives, all the stuff i've seen so far has
>>  indicated that usimc was approved on the assumption it would have an
>>  op wire.
>>
>>
>>  for example:
>>
>>  http://archives.lists.indymedia.org/new-imc/2003-September/004411.html
>>  email from Sascha to new-imc outlining imc-us' committments to IMC
>>  Membership
>>  Criteria
>>
>>  f. Agree to the use of Open Publishing as described in the NIMC Editorial
>>
>>  Policy [editorial collective comments: "We did agree that the term "Open
>>
>>  Publishing" was one that is still being defined by the Global Network
>>  Collective, and we would wait and see what the results were before
>>  rewriting this criteria]:
>>
>>  The IMC-US affinity group agrees to do this.
>>
>>  http://archives.lists.indymedia.org/imc-process/2003-October/005187.html
>>
>>  (philly imc's non-blocking suggestions)
>> 
>>  - That the newswire have an open publishing feature as well as a
>>  syndication
>>  feature, using for example the same format as the global site, to
>>  encourage democratic participation in the news-making process.
>  >
>>
>>
>>  i'm not trying to be disruptive, but i am really concerned that
>>  launching an indymedia site with a strong editorial voice and a lack
>>  of open publishing is setting a new and probably controversial
>>  precedent, one which may generate a lot of animosity for the imc us
>>  project in the global network.
>>
>>  john
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  >
>>  > I am strongly opposed to an op wire on the US site. We should just be a
>>  tool
>>  > to highlight the work of local IMCs.
>>  >
>>  > On 7/19/04 9:27 PM, "jon pike" <profpike at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>  >
>>  > > Tribal put in a reminder that this site will be
>>  > > covering the RNC and newswires have proven valuable in
>>  > > the past for getting stuff up quickly about
>>  > > significant protest actions.
>>  > >
>>  > > So, maybe it would be good to have such a function on
>>  > > the site. After all didn't FTAAIMC, or is that a
>>  > > differnet case entirely?
>>  > >
>>  > >
>>  > >
>>  > >
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