[IMC-US] A good point about open publishing

Wed Jul 21 10:38:40 CDT 2004

hey everyone,

as for google and the OP issue: as far as i know, google won't pick up OP
sites for their news site. ryan from TN IMC has been talking with them
trying to get this sorted out but he hasn't been having much luck. maybe
he could elaborate on what their policy is, as it's been explained to him
by google.

--faith

On Tue, 20 Jul 2004, ana wrote:

>
> Hmmm. that is weird. i was sure we had somethign different in there about OP
> because it was a concern when we had a caucus at the AMC last year and the
> draft that came out of that had a different clause about op. but i guess
> something changed.
>
> i just found the original proposal we sent to newimc and it seems vague, as
> in it wasnt decided entirely.
> http://archives.lists.indymedia.org/new-imc/2003-August/004310.html
>
> First it says (which i wrongfully remembered as saying 'might' follow
> global's model):
>
> "The suggested format for the US site is a syndicated newswire of US-
> features, much like the global site syndicates features from IMCs around
> the world.  Syndication was chosen specifically as the recommended format
> due to problems of open-publishing newswire abuse and following the
> precendent set on the global Indymedia website (i.e., the open newswire
> will be available off the main page).
>
> and then it says:
>
> EDITORIAL:  The editorial group will be responsible for newswire
> maintenance (if an open newswire is part of the site) and feature
> writing/compiling/editing.
>
> So, maybe it wasnt completely decided yet. I dont remember. But I also dont
> want to hold this process up any more.  So, while i dont think it is a good
> idea at all to have an op function on the site, I wont block having it as
> an option.
>
> It hurts though, because i think peopel will be attracted to the "broader
> exposure" of a national site and the tendency might go towards not posting
> on local sites anymore. A real shame. Additionally, we will need
> *quadruple* the amount of peopel working on site mantainance to monitor the
> wire and take off racist posts, etc.
>
> And lastly could someone working on code check to see if stories would still
> get picked up by google news with an op wire on it. Either way, we should
> make sure the site is being built to facilitate getting picked up on google
> news. i know democracy now has had real issues with that because it wasnt
> thought of before hand. im sorry if i missed posts about this already. but
> has anyone looked into that at all?
>
> gnight all.
> ana
>
>
>
>
> Quoting john duda <john at manifestor.org>:
>
> > On Mon, Jul 19, 2004 at 11:45:11PM -0400, Ana wrote:
> > >
> > > Re New imc process:  I believe it was in our application that we would
> > not
> > > have open publishing, precisely because of local IMC concerns that we
> > were
> > > taking their local traffic away.
> >
> > could you point me to the documents?  i've been having a really hard
> > time trying to trace out the imc-us approval process due to broken
> > mailman links in the archives, all the stuff i've seen so far has
> > indicated that usimc was approved on the assumption it would have an
> > op wire.
> >
> >
> > for example:
> >
> > http://archives.lists.indymedia.org/new-imc/2003-September/004411.html
> > email from Sascha to new-imc outlining imc-us' committments to IMC
> > Membership
> > Criteria
> >
> > f. Agree to the use of Open Publishing as described in the NIMC Editorial
> >
> > Policy [editorial collective comments: "We did agree that the term "Open
> >
> > Publishing" was one that is still being defined by the Global Network
> > Collective, and we would wait and see what the results were before
> > rewriting this criteria]:
> >
> > The IMC-US affinity group agrees to do this.
> >
> > http://archives.lists.indymedia.org/imc-process/2003-October/005187.html
> >
> > (philly imc's non-blocking suggestions)
> >
> > - That the newswire have an open publishing feature as well as a
> > syndication
> > feature, using for example the same format as the global site, to
> > encourage democratic participation in the news-making process.
> >
> >
> >
> > i'm not trying to be disruptive, but i am really concerned that
> > launching an indymedia site with a strong editorial voice and a lack
> > of open publishing is setting a new and probably controversial
> > precedent, one which may generate a lot of animosity for the imc us
> > project in the global network.
> >
> > john
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > I am strongly opposed to an op wire on the US site. We should just be a
> > tool
> > > to highlight the work of local IMCs.
> > >
> > > On 7/19/04 9:27 PM, "jon pike" <profpike at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Tribal put in a reminder that this site will be
> > > > covering the RNC and newswires have proven valuable in
> > > > the past for getting stuff up quickly about
> > > > significant protest actions.
> > > >
> > > > So, maybe it would be good to have such a function on
> > > > the site. After all didn't FTAAIMC, or is that a
> > > > differnet case entirely?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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