[IMC-US] using other feeds/other independent media on imc-us

Tribal Scribal valeoftheoaks at hotmail.com
Fri May 13 16:46:30 CDT 2005


hey sheri,

glad you brought the subject up. as you know it's come up now & then over 
the years. not sure if the term "separatism" applies however, though we 
(here at u.s. and perhaps still at global) do try to use indy links to 
issues when ever possible. often those local links will actually be reposts 
from other sites or "other press" links from same. one of the reasons for 
this, if i recall right, is to hopefully prevent readers from wandering off 
into the great land of info glut, perhaps never to return! ;)

this brings up one of my pet peeves: other independent media operations that 
avoid mentioning or linking to OUR operation. you guys can fill in the 
blanks, i'm sure more than a few come to mind, some of them quite prominant, 
some we often link too!  i guess the message here is "the door swings both 
ways" or solidarity is more than a concept. by noting this however, i'm not 
saying we should behave in the same lame manner, only that some other 
outfits need to stop being so fucking competitive and self-serving.

in any case, in my editing and commentary if i can't find some aspect of an 
issue comprehensively covered on any of our sites i look elsewhere. of 
course, we all avoid commercial sites, overly dogmatic  rant fests and 
tin-foil hat stuff.

this subject also brings to mind the same dynamic being played out in the 
blogoshpere. seldom do i find a link to Indy on the higher profile blogs, or 
ANY blogs except our own. with all the cred being lent to bloggers, not only 
among independent media outfits, but also in the mainstream media, folks 
would do well to remember that indymedia was one of the first accesible 
formats for bloggers, sort of THE proto-blog. Granted, trolls and spammers 
use indy as a sort of personal blog and it's a pain in the ass, but it just 
seems that indy seldom gets credit out there for the pioneer work we've 
done.

ok, ok, i'll stop now. this is bringing out my demons ;)  (back, back, damn 
demons...)

d.o.



i'd like to take you up on your offer "to elaborate" on this 'cuz this 
discussion could surely bear some fruit.

d.o.

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>From: "sheri at speakeasy.org" <sheri at speakeasy.net>
>Reply-To: "Working Group for IMC-US." <imc-us at lists.ucimc.org>
>To: imc-us-editorial at ucimc.org
>CC: imc-us at ucimc.org
>Subject: [IMC-US] using other feeds/other independent media on imc-us
>Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 18:56:24 +0000
>
>hi,
>
>see below for the selves/others digest i just got - it inspired me to send 
>it here cause i think it would be cool to include it somehow in our site.  
>a place for the work of allies and other good independent media.
>
>perhaps we can create a place/space for highlighting the good work of other 
>independent media (i mean we are in a larger network) and this would be one 
>way of (1) supporting the work of our allies (2) highlighting important 
>stories that we're not covering (3) broadening the network and (4) i'm sure 
>other good reasons.
>
>i believe it comes down to what is the vision for the site and what we 
>consider our role to be.  i think indymedia tends toward a kind of 
>separatism that i think can be harmful to the movement and to our work.  if 
>you don't know what i mean, i'm happy to elaborate but i'll just leave it 
>at that for the moment. i'm just being honest and having reflected on our 
>evolution over the past 5 years, and trying to be an observer and not just 
>an insider intimately engaged, i think that what i'm saying is NOT bogus or 
>false.  and maybe sometimes separatism  is necesary and a good thing, but 
>how we collaborate with others who are in the "ever expanding field of 
>independent media" is i believe somehow a key to changing how people think 
>and that is how social change really happens.
>
>i'm just hoping for some healthy dialogue about the idea :))
>
>love
>sheri
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: SaO's Daily Digest [mailto:newsletter at selvesandothers.org]
>Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 06:11 PM
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>Subject: SaO -- May 9-13, 2005
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>Selves and Others
>http://www.selvesandothers.org
>
>===========================================
>
>
>
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>Friday, May 13th, 2005
>
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>
>London Review of Books
>DIARY FROM MOSUL: "THEY DESTROYED EVERYTHING"
>  Patrick Cockburn reports from a divided Iraq
>by Patrick Cockburn
>
>"The sectarian geography of this no man's land between Arabs and Kurds is
>intricate. Kurdish control peters out in the west and south of the 
>province.
>Around the town of Hawaijah, a notorious Baathist stronghold to the west, 
>the
>farmers working in the fields are Arabs. When the US tried to sack Baath
>Party members here after the invasion, the local hospital almost closed 
>down:
>all its doctors were members. The headmaster of a secondary school was 
>fired
>for being a Baathist. His pupils offered to burn down the school in
>retaliation but he persuaded them not to. The new headmaster, sent from
>Kirkuk, was too frightened to take up his post. The situation is even more
>unstable in Mosul, a city of 1.75 million people on the Tigris. Some 70 per
>cent of its population are Arabs, mostly living on the west bank of the
>river; the rest are Kurds, who live mostly on the east bank. It's a
>traditional centre of Arab nationalism and religious fundamentalism. Saadi
>Pira, until recently the leader in Mosul of the Patriotic Union of 
>Kurdistan,
>claims that 'Mosul was always the true centre of the resistance to the
>Americans, much more than Fallujah.' The Kurds in Mosul don't even bother 
>to
>pretend that it is anything other than extremely dangerous."
>
>-> http://www.lrb.co.uk/v27/n10/cock01_.html
>
>
>
>
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>
>MediaChannel
>THE MEDIA CARTEL
>
>by Ben H. Bagdikian
>
>The half-dozen media conglomerates on which the majority of Americans 
>depend
>or their news, views and entertainment, behave more like a cartel than
>independent competitors, says media critic Ben Bagdikian.
>
>-> http://www.mediachannel.org/reform/indy117.php
>
>
>
>
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>
>Progreso Weekly
>LESSONS FROM VIETNAM: WARS KILL EMPIRES AS WELL AS PEOPLE
>
>by Saul Landau
>
>  In 2005, the United States has become Communist Vietnam's single-largest
>trading partner. Vietnam's products permeate U.S. stores. But the "Vietnam
>War trauma" remains central to U.S. politics. Note how the Vietnam service
>record of presidential candidates became a contentious issue in the 2004
>elections. People don't overcome traumas unless they understand them.
>
>Since public education provides citizens with minimal context, we rely on
>mass media to reach into its collective attic and drag out "Fall of Saigon"
>stories. However, when the commercial press pushes the anniversary method 
>of
>history teaching, the public tends to divorce rather than engage with its
>past connections.
>
>Personal anecdotes overwhelm analysis. (...)
>
>->
>http://www.progresoweekly.com/index.php?progreso=Landau&otherweek=1115960400
>
>
>
>
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>
>TomDispatch
>THE IRANIAN NUCLEAR ISSUE IN A GLOBAL CONTEXT
>
>by Dilip Hiro
>
>With the Iranians threatening to resume some nuclear activities in the near
>future, their European Union (EU) interlocutors are threatening to break 
>off
>their six-month long negotiations to resolve the nuclear issue
>diplomatically. They have called an emergency meeting of the 35 member 
>Board
>of Governors of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) in Vienna at
>which they are likely to join the United States in recommending that the
>Iranian situation be referred to the United Nations Security Council. (...)
>
>-> http://www.tomdispatch.com/index.mhtml?pid=2452
>
>
>
>
>-------------------------------------------
>
>The Independent
>TARUN TEJPAL: SECRETS AND SENSATIONS
>
>by Priyanka Gill
>
>  As a fearless online sleuth, he shook the Delhi government. Now Tarun
>Tejpal, India's journalist hero, has turned from fact to fiction. Priyanka
>Gill meets him
>
>"This is my greatest achievement," says Tarun Tejpal, gesturing towards a
>copy of The Alchemy of Desire, his first novel, that lies on his office 
>table
>in New Delhi - "personally, that is." This is exactly what one expects from 
>a
>debut author, but coming from Tejpal it is a bit of a surprise. Tall,
>long-haired and full of restless energy, the 42-year-old is, arguably,
>India's best known journalist. As editor-in-chief of the online 
>newsmagazine
>Tehelka.com, in 2001 he broke a story on national television exposing the
>high-level corruption that was the ugly, corrupt underbelly of defence
>purchases in the country. Hailed as the Indian equivalent of the Watergate
>scandal, the sting was India's biggest news story since independence. As
>journalistic achievements go, not much comes close. (...)
>
>-> http://www.selvesandothers.org/article9548.html
>
>
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>Thursday, May 12th, 2005
>
>-------------------------------------------
>
>In These Times
>  DEMOCRACY'S DEATH
>  Haitian dissidents find themselves the targets of massive repression
>by Ben Terrall
>
>In sync with its grandiose claims about building democracy in the Middle
>East, the Bush administration is promoting new elections in Haiti in 
>October
>and November as the great hope for the poorest nation in the Western
>Hemisphere. Yet, while Washington provides diplomatic, political and 
>military
>support for the Haitian government of Interim Prime Minister Gerard 
>Latortue,
>hooded police and death squads are systematically repressing political
>supporters of former president Jean-Bertrand Aristide. (...)
>
>-> http://www.inthesetimes.com/site/main/article/2094/
>
>
>
>
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>
>The Nation
>TORTURE'S DIRTY SECRET: IT WORKS
>
>by Naomi Klein
>
>  I recently caught a glimpse of the effects of torture in action at an 
>event
>honoring Maher Arar. The Syrian-born Canadian is the world's most famous
>victim of "rendition," the process by which US officials outsource torture 
>to
>foreign countries. Arar was switching planes in New York when US
>interrogators detained him and "rendered" him to Syria, where he was held 
>for
>ten months in a cell slightly larger than a grave and taken out 
>periodically
>for beatings. (...)
>
>[from the May 30, 2005 issue]
>
>-> http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20050530&s=klein
>
>
>
>
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>
>New Statesman
>LET'S FACE IT - THE STATE HAS LOST ITS MIND
>
>by John Pilger
>
>  The media coverage of this past election was a pastiche. Our right to 
>know
>what our rulers are doing to people the world over is being lost in the new
>propaganda consensus.
>
>In 1987, the sociologist Alex Carey, a second Orwell in his prophesies, 
>wrote
>"Managing Public Opinion: the corporate offensive". He described how in the
>United States "great progress [had been] made towards the ideal of a
>propaganda-managed democracy", whose principal aim was to identify a
>rapacious business state "with every cherished human value". The power and
>meaning of true democracy, of the franchise itself, would be "transferred" 
>to
>the propaganda of advertising, public relations and corporate-run news. 
>This
>"model of ideological control", he predicted, would be adopted by other
>countries, such as Britain. (...)
>
>-> http://www.newstatesman.co.uk/nscoverstory.htm
>
>
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>Wednesday, May 11th, 2005
>
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>
>Global Resistance Network
>AGAINST THE WAR MACHINE
>Military Recruiters Face Youth and Student Resistance
>by Ian Thompson
>
>Student activism to keep young people out of the U.S. military serves the
>worthy goals of diminishing military numbers and building resistance to its
>hegemonic aims. Those who do not enlist in the military because of these
>efforts should join the ranks of the people's movement against imperialist
>war, racism and bigotry.
>
>-> http://www.globalresistancenetwork.com/IT_AgainstTheWarMachine.html
>
>
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>Tuesday, May 10th, 2005
>
>-------------------------------------------
>
>Inter Press Service
>  FORMER PM'S HUNGER STRIKE HIGHLIGHTS SENSE OF CHAOS
>
>by Jim Lobe
>
>  WASHINGTON, May 10 (IPS) - A three-week hunger strike that now threatens 
>the
>life of Haiti's jailed former prime minister, Yvon Neptune, is drawing
>international attention to the increasingly chaotic situation in the
>Americas' poorest nation.
>
>Neptune, who served as prime minister under exiled President Jean-Bertrand
>Aristide, began taking liquids at the request of his closest friends and
>family last weekend but remains in an extremely weak condition, according 
>to
>reports from Port-au-Prince, where he has been held in a government house
>since March.
>
>Neptune has not seen a judge since shortly after his arrest last June on
>charges that he masterminded a mass killing in St. Marc in February 2004. 
>The
>government, which has failed to disclose evidence against him, last week
>offered to drop all charges on condition that he fly to the Dominican
>Republic. But he turned it down, declaring that the move was an 
>ill-disguised
>effort to exile him from Haiti permanently. (...)
>
>-> http://www.ipsnews.net/interna.asp?idnews=28612
>
>
>
>
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>
>Inter Press Service
>INDEPENDENT ACCESS TO KHUZESTAN URGED IN WAKE OF VIOLENCE
>
>by Jim Lobe
>
>  WASHINGTON, May 10 (IPS) - Amid rising tension between Iran and the 
>United
>States, a major U.S. human rights group said Tuesday that at least 50 
>people
>were killed during week-long protests in southwestern Khuzestan province 
>last
>month and urged Iran to permit independent journalists and rights monitors 
>to
>go to the strife-torn region across the border from Iraq.
>
>New York-based Human Rights Watch (HRW) also called for the immediate 
>release
>of Yusuf Azizi Banitaraf, an Iranian journalist of Arab descent who was
>arrested in Teheran Apr. 25 during a press conference to call attention to
>government abuses in Khuzestan by the independent Centre for the Defence of
>Human Rights.
>
>"The Iranian authorities have again displayed their readiness to silence
>those who denounce human rights violations," said Joe Stork, Washington
>director of HRW's Middle East division. "We have serious allegations the
>government used excessive lethal force, arbitrary arrests, and torture in
>Khuzestan." (...)
>
>-> http://www.ipsnews.net/interna.asp?idnews=28625
>
>
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>Monday, May 9th, 2005
>
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>
>Covert Action Quarterly
>THE SUPREME COURT AND "ENEMY COMBATANTS"
>
>by Marc Norton
>
>  This is an updated article and expanded version of The Felonious Five 
>Ride
>Again: The Supreme Court and Enemy Combatants, CounterPunch, July 6, 2004.
>
>Both the corporate media and the pundits of the left claim to see a "major
>victory" for the "rule of law" in the June 28, 2004 Supreme Court rulings 
>on
>Guantánamo and "enemy combatants."
>
>But the fundamental aspect of these decisions is that they have enshrined 
>the
>concept of enemy combatants into our legal system.
>
> >From now on, anybody deemed an enemy combatant -- citizen and non-citizen
>alike -- can be imprisoned and stripped of their constitutional "due 
>process"
>rights, including the presumption of innocence and the right to a jury 
>trial.
>Indefinite detention remains an option. The military will be running the
>show, not the courts.
>
>A few more victories like this, and we will all be eating prison gruel...
>
>[Spring 2005, #78]
>
>-> http://www.marcnorton.us/13001/51314.html
>
>
>
>
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>
>UT Watch
>INTERVIEW WITH THE AUTHOR OF UNIVERSITY INC.
>
>by Nick Schwellenbach
>
>  March 2005
>
>Interview of Jennifer Washburn, author of the book, University Inc: The
>Corporate Corruption of Higher Education and New America Foundation fellow,
>by Nick Schwellenbach. Schwellenbach is a former member of the university
>watchdog group, University of Texas Watch (www.utwatch.org), and currently 
>an
>investigator at the Project On Government Oversight (www.pogo.org).
>
>Can you tell us a little about your background?
>
>I've been a freelance journalist since 1995. Some years ago I received a
>grant from the Open Society Institute to research the growing privatization
>of various different areas of public life. So I wound up looking at various
>government services that were being contracted out to private companies. 
>And
>then I stumbled upon an article about what was happening in the 
>universities
>with the Bayh-Dole Act and intellectual property. Having gone to a smaller
>liberal arts college, I was astonished at the degree which universities
>themselves were engaging in commercial activities that I had no idea that
>they were involved in. That grew into a cover story for the Atlantic 
>Monthly
>in March 2000 called "The Kept University." (...)
>
>-> http://www.utwatch.org/archives/jwashburn_interview.html
>
>
>
>
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>
>The Independent
>THE TRIUMPH OF UNCLE TOMS (AND WORSE)
>To have the son of an African and a Ugandan Asian reiterate this obscene
>prejudice made me suicidal
>by Yasmin Alibhai-Brown
>
>  [...] The bigger politics is what concerns us activists much more than 
>the
>race and/or gender profile of an MP. And so to the Tories. The election
>ushers in the first "black" Tory MP, Adam Afriye (half Ghanaian and half
>English) and Shailash Vara, the Ugandan Asian who has done time as deputy
>chairman for a party which has always repudiated equality and diversity
>policies and produced a string of racist politicians, including Winston
>Churchill.
>
>So is this the nasty party shedding its repulsive past? Not a bit of it.
>These results, for me, are a damning manifestation of the splintering of 
>the
>anti-racist struggle, a triumph of uncle Tomism and worse. To witness the 
>son
>of illegal Jewish immigrants strategically mobilising mob instincts against
>immigrants was bad enough. To then have the sons of an African and a 
>Ugandan
>Asian reiterate these obscene prejudices made me suicidal. (...)
>
>-> http://www.selvesandothers.org/article9539.html
>
>
>
>
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>
>The Guardian
>THE JOB IS DONE
>The prime minister must accept that most British people want the troops out
>of Iraq
>by Jonathan Steele
>
>  Tony Blair insists British troops cannot leave Iraq until Iraq's own 
>police
>and army can guarantee security. It is, of course, the same argument that
>George Bush uses to justify keeping close to 150,000 US soldiers in the
>country.
>
>Never mind the fact that pulling foreign troops out would almost certainly
>improve Iraq's security, since much of the violence is directed against the
>occupation. Without the occupation, the insurgency would decline
>dramatically. (...) [ page 19 | Comment]
>
>-> http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1479411,00.html
>
>
>
>
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>
>War on Want
>CATERPILLAR: MAKING A KILLING
>
>by Joe Zacune and Nick Dearden
>
>  Frequently in the global economy, it seems that corporations are able to 
>get
>away with activities which would see an individual locked up in the Hague 
>for
>decades.
>
>Take the case of Caterpillar. Without selling a single bomb, gun or F16
>fighter, Caterpillar has been supplying the Israeli military with its "key
>weapon", in the words one Israeli commander, in its illegal and brutal
>occupation of Palestine. In the words of the United Nations Special
>Rapporteur on the right to food, Caterpillar's D-9 bulldozers have been
>responsible for destroying "agricultural farms, greenhouses, ancient olive
>groves... numerous Palestinian homes and sometimes human lives". (...)
>
>-> http://www.selvesandothers.org/article9541.html
>
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