[Imc] Hide It?

[Paul Riismandel]

Mike,

I have no problem e-mailing these folks. In fact, it's in our policy:
"When the Steering Group is made aware of posts that should be hidden, it 
should make a reasonable attempt must be made to contact the author of the 
post in question and to explain the IMC's appropriate use policy, asking 
for cooperation and compliance.... If after attempting contact with an 
author posting inappropriately the Steering Group is unable to reach a 
resolution with that poster, the Steering Group may hide any of that 
author's posts as they deem necessary, according to this policy. "

And I don't think we're assuming any naivete on the part of this poster or 
others.  But until we inform people directly we can't necessarily assume 
they understand what we consider respectful behavior. Sure, we can make 
assumptions or even form pretty good conclusions about whether or not we 
think that poster has any respect for good-neighbor posting behavior, but 
since we can't see into people's heads we are really just guessing.

I can say without a doubt that I have broken a social convention or "common 
sense" rule at least once or twice in my life.  In some cases I was truly 
naively ignorant about my transgressions, in others I was more aware, if 
naive about the actual ramifications of my actions.  When pointed to my 
wrong, however, I could and did choose to change my behavior.  Until we've 
given that chance for someone to know and try better, then we don't really 
know if s/he can or will do so.

That's the kind of benefit of the doubt I hope someone would afford me, and 
so am willing to afford someone else--across the board and without 
prejudice.  If someone wants to then screw that up then, fine, we can move 
forward and they will reap the consequences of their own behavior.  But I 
don't think it's fair or right to simply assume our message will fall upon 
deaf ears until it has.  Maybe it seems futile to do so.. but then, what's 
the harm?  If someone does become a "good neighbor" then there's a net gain 
for everyone.

--Paul

At 08:08 PM 12/20/2001 -0600, Mike Lehman wrote:
>I don't have an IMC e-mail account (Zach, can you set me up and let me
>know where?) yet and don't want to use my personal e-mail to notify the
>author. Since he seems to have figured out enough about IMC to spam
>nearly all the IMC websites, repeatedly, I think Brian is being far too
>generous in evaluating the author's naivety about how things work on
>IMC. Any other opinions on this?
>Mike
>
>Brian Hagy wrote:
> >
> > i dunno if i'd call the article spam.  however, it does fall under the
> > guise of a repost.  however, considering it wasn't on the same day, it's
> > possible that the author might have thought the article was lost (maybe
> > from not knowing how the site works) and thus reposted it (maybe from
> > thinking the information is important for people to investigate...i admit,
> > i followed the links, and was disturbed by some of what i read...so, i
> > could easily imagine his insistance for others to know of this stuff).
> >
> > i say hide it, and send the author an email telling him he doesn't need
> > to repost articles because they are already on the website/newswire.
> > maybe even suggest writing further articles to follow up on some of the
> > things he's already posted.  i'm frantically trying to get things finished
> > so that i can get out of town for the holidays (not that i'm really
> > wanting to leave, but hey), otherwise i'd do it.
> >
> > brian
> >
> > On Thu, 20 Dec 2001, Mike Lehman wrote:
> >
> > > Same story posted twice here by IMC network spammer:
> > > First Time (Dec 17, 3:50PM):
> > > <http://urbana.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=3471&group=webcast>
> > > Second Time (Dec. 20, 2:00AM):
> > > <http://urbana.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=3506&group=webcast>
> > >
> > > Should the second one be taken down or not?
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