[Peace-discuss] In defense of proper priorities and against virtue signalling: "foul language" is less important than fighting for Medicare for All and fighting against war

[David Green]

It's an interesting development that Jeffrey St. Clair of Counterpunch
despises Dore. Unfortunately consistent with CP becoming an ideologically
lousy website, exposed by Trump era derangement.

On Sat, Jan 2, 2021, 5:02 PM J.B. Nicholson via Peace-discuss <
peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:

> Jimmy Dore continues to hit the important points and say how other
> people's
> mealy-mouthed defense of establishment values are full of shit.
>
> Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (AOC) recently claimed that when Dore objects to
> AOC and
> other Congresspeople by telling them to "fuck off" that such talk is
> "violence":
>
> https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1345193022179467268
> > And to be 💯% honest, it was hard during this to be targeted+marred as
> some
> > sellout-enemy of the people over a late tactical disagreement over 1
> floor vote.
> >
> > Also a bummer to see figures excuse comments like “f- her and f- anyone
> who
> > protects her.” That’s not tone,that’s violence
> No, those objections are not violence. They're right and proper objections
> to someone
> in power (known as 'punching up') who apparently refuses to use her power
> to help us
> in the midst of a deadly pandemic and depression. AOC will likely give her
> vote to
> Nancy "Mama Bear" Pelosi in exchange for nothing. She's spineless against
> power. She
> is another in a long line of fake tough people: she occasionally says
> something
> truthful in highly-paid speeches or on Twitter.com. But what she says
> stands out
> sharply given her own previous endorsement of Medicare for All and her
> complaint that
> the Democrats are a right or center-right party (noting that "we don't
> have a Left
> party in the United States") and complaining that the Democrats can't
> "can't even get
> a floor vote for Medicare for All". Furthering the hypocrisy, AOC defended
> Rep.
> Rashida Tlaib's calling Pres. Trump a "motherfucker" and Dore's got the
> establishment
> media report describing her defense (from the Washington Post, so there's
> no way
> establishment-friendly people can object without also impugning the
> credibility of
> that establishment-friendly outlet).
>
> AOC's above post is not convincing the public, apparently and
> unsurprisingly. But
> these lame arguments are the only avenues left to try to justify being a
> huge
> hypocrite and not challenge Pelosi by saying no vote for Pelosi unless she
> promises
> to bring Rep. Pramila Jayapal's Medicare for All bill to the floor for a
> House vote.
> You'll be able to watch for AOC's pro-Pelosi vote tomorrow (2021-01-03).
>
> Ro Khanna (who is also likely about to vote for Pelosi) at least shows
> more spine
> than AOC by continuing to show up on Jimmy Dore's show and take tough
> questions, even
> recognizing that Congresspeople are some of the most powerful people on
> Earth, if
> they can't take tough questions and political challenges they should "deal
> with it,
> get over it". See https://youtube.com/watch?v=tZeeGMeSUuo for more.
>
> We've even seen some defense of this 'foul language'/impropriety argument
> on
> peace-discuss and it falls flat here too because it reveals awful
> priorities, reveals
> being out of touch with how real people talk, and generally doesn't
> acknowledge the
> reality of the world where the US is alone in its healthcare delivery
> mechanism
> (other people are defending their better healthcare payment schemes,
> payment and
> delivery schemes they fought for decades ago).
>
> I'm watching Jimmy Dore's live show where he interviewed Ben Spielberg
> (co-founder of
> "34 Justice", which I'm not familiar with) and I'm reminded of how many
> people are
> easily cowed into submission by the establishment -- Spielberg required
> some pushing
> to object to AOC's aforementioned allegation that Dore's speech was
> violence because
> he wanted to carve out an exception to Dore's claim that allowed him to
> tell others
> he wasn't in full agreement with one of the establishment's current foes.
>
> Spielberg defended the mealy-mouthed lines of elevating bruised egos,
> "harsh
> language", and (near quote) "finding better ways to talk to progressives"
> over
> life-and-death political issues such as Medicare for All. This told me
> that Spielberg
> is either angling for an establishment media contract or he's so poor at
> recognizing
> proper priorities that I can't trust his judgment.
>
> It's only a matter of time until today's Jimmy Dore segments are split out
> from the
> live feed and uploaded to YouTube.
>
> -J
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