[Peace-discuss] Consensus

[C. G. Estabrook]

But is it a daffy collection?


Jenifer Cartwright wrote:
> Case in point re not treating fellow members w/ respect in Carl's 
> response to Bob: "What a daffy collection of supposed political sins..."
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> Am I the only person who has a problem w/ nasty comments like these? 
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> Am I the only one amazed and appalled that Carl thinks he's not nasty 
> enough???
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> Jenifer
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> */"C. G. Estabrook" <galliher at uiuc.edu>/* wrote:
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>     What a daffy collection of supposed political sins!
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>     But, interestingly, Bob chooses not to answer on the point that he said
>     was wrong in the flyer, the US/Israel relation.
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>     Bob Illyes wrote:
>      > For those of you who were not at last AWARE meeting, we discussed
>      > that Carl had violated the standing AWARE policy regarding using
>      > our name as an endorsement unless we had consensus. I thought that
>      > was the end of the matter. But as you can see, it is not.
>      >
>      > As for what Carl calls "so silly and made up of such fantastic
>      > charges that I don't think it's possible to answer -- or worth
>      > the time to do so," the record shows otherwise. Going through
>      > my points (you'll need to read my prior post to know what they
>      > were):
>      >
>      > 1) Mort and Carl had long argument at a recent AWARE meeting
>      > regarding Carl's stated contempt for Democrats and liberals,
>      > and Carl's claim that Democrats are more responsible than
>      > Republicans for our actions in Iraq. The parties are
>      > equally culpable in Congress. The Republicans are completely
>      > culpable in the administration. That is what the record shows.
>      >
>      > 2) Carl's "no good presidents" position was taken at a party in
>      > the home of George and Bettina Francis, who were a part of the
>      > conversation.
>      >
>      > 3) Carl's notion that a conspiracy of international capital drives
>      > modern history is all over his writings and what he says. I
>      > don't recall ever hearing him speak well of either Israel or
>      > of America.
>      >
>      > 4) Carl and I have repeatedly differed on the desirability of
>      > conflict in promoting peace, both on this list and at meetings.
>      >
>      > The reader can fill in the rest of the blanks. I see no point in
>      > continuing a discussion in which facts are treated as irrelevant.
>      > I have quit this subject unless there is another violation of
>      > AWARE's rules.
>      >
>      > Bob
>      >
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