[Peace-discuss] Wasson on common people

[John W.]

At 12:14 AM 7/13/2007, C. G. Estabrook wrote:

>Apparently I failed to make myself clear.  I meant to attack John's 
>contempt for Middle America.  --CGE

If that's how you interpret what I wrote and what I stand for, Carl, then 
you're even more isolated than I thought, and communication of any sort 
would seem to be utterly pointless.




>Robert Dunn wrote:
>
>>it seems that both of you have such contempt for middle America. Why 
>>don't both of you then go to where the elites are? The West Coast with 
>>the Hollyweird airheads, and Manhattan, where the East Coast elites 
>>thrive. Both Coasts love to sneer at the Middle Class and want to make 
>>sure that the poor never get there. That is why they had to create a 
>>permanent and dependent underclass that would be subservient to the Left 
>>in general and the Democratic party in particular. Any one who breaks out 
>>of this new poverty plantation has to be vilified as a class or race 
>>traitor. We on the right do not see class/race/sex/sexual behavior the 
>>way the left does. We are not into determinism. I know that with hardwork 
>>and faith, i can get into the middle class, which is for me, a week away! 
>>As for my kids, i pray that they will rise higher than i can into an even 
>>higher class.
>>BTW, Carl, you misspelled Johns name, its Wason? See John, not all of us 
>>on the Joe Six Pack right are dumb ignoramuses as you and your liberal 
>>counterparts think. By the way, i do know how to locate Iraq on a map. I 
>>also can discuss Heideggerian existentialism with you and why Leo Strauss 
>>is right that we have progressed so far into nihilism that we either 
>>progress ourselves to destruction or we return to a combination of 
>>biblical religion and greek rationalism. But, that must make me a neocon, 
>>right?
>>Am I swimming in the murky waters of totalities and values as Heidegger 
>>accused the Nazis of? they were not nihilistic enough. I think Heidegger 
>>would love the postmodern American Left which has no moral compass at 
>>all. That is the difference between Joe Six Pack and the liberal elites, 
>>one believes in absolute truth, the other, radical nihilism!\
>>Robert
>>
>> 
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>>             From:  /"C. G. Estabrook" <galliher at uiuc.edu>/
>>             To:  /"John W." <jbw292002 at gmail.com>/
>>             CC:  /peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net,
>>             discuss at communitycourtwatch.org/
>>             Subject:  /[Peace-discuss] Wasson on common people/
>>             Date:  /Thu, 12 Jul 2007 10:06:04 -0500/
>>              >Dear Man of the People:
>>              >
>>              >Hmm.  I'd be careful, were I you, of charges of "bloviation."
>>              >
>>              >But I do understand why you should have such contempt for
>>             "secondary
>>              >sources" -- cf. "Don't confuse me with the facts".
>>              >
>>              >Here's a recent fact for you: in the latest USA
>>             Today/Gallup Poll,
>>              >people were asked, "From what you have heard or read, do
>>             you think
>>              >President Bush was right to commute Libby's sentence, do
>>             you think
>>              >he should have gone further and granted him a full pardon,
>>             or do you
>>              >think he should not have intervened at all on Libby's
>>             behalf?"  The
>>              >answers --
>>              >
>>              >     Right to commute sentence - 13%
>>              >     Should have granted full pardon - 6%
>>              >     Should not have intervened at all - 66%
>>              >     No opinion - 15%
>>              >
>>              >As usual, the true "fringe" in our country are Bush
>>             followers and
>>              >their establishment media allies. Compare that fact about
>>             American
>>              >public opinion on the Libby matter to this, from Andrea
>>             Mitchell on
>>              >MSNBC:
>>              >
>>              >"They're going to try to really tamp this down and appeal
>>             to the
>>              >polling which indicates that most people think, in fact, that
>>              >[Libby] should be pardoned. Scooter Libby should be pardoned."
>>              >
>>              >Our ideological institutions, which you praise (I assume
>>             you include
>>              >your alma mater?), in this case the media, have betrayed
>>             you even in
>>              >your perception of your fellow citizens.  But I'm sure
>>             they've done
>>              >that innocently, don't you think?
>>              >
>>              >Given the possibility that I "can't even remotely touch
>>             [your] life
>>              >experience or [your] understanding of the common people,"
>>             I'll take
>>              >solace for my inexperience and lack of understanding with
>>             Gore
>>              >Vidal's remark, "Thank God I wasn't born middle class."
>>              >
>>              >Can we both agree with Gore?  And then are we both
>>             traitors to our
>>              >class?
>>              >
>>              >At least the cartoon was good.
>>              >
>>              >Regards, Carl