[Peace-discuss] Flag issues

[Joseph Thomas Miller]

Friends,

Please do not send these messages to my work address. I am already on
the peace-discuss list with my home address: zhuxiu at earthlink.net

Unfortunately, since the discussion was being posted to my work address,
I responded from that address.

Please send any further personal message to me at home or just know that
I am reading peace-discuss.

Joe 

-----Original Message-----
From: Jan & Durl Kruse [mailto:jandurl at insightbb.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 1:18 PM
To: Robert Frank Illyes
Cc: Joseph Thomas Miller; peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Flag issues

Thankfully AWARE is not really just 2 camps as describe below. At least
not in my experience.
It is always interesting to be described and categorized.
AWARE must be doing something right since disagreements rise and fall
from within and from without regarding our work to oppose war and
racism.  AWARE did not begin the discussion regarding flags.  We did
consider the issue (funding and cosponsorship of the College Democrats
use of the flags) at our meeting last night and it was a thoughtful and
considerate discussion.  You probably would have had to been there to
have witnessed the thoughtful exchange.
We may not always agree, but usually there is a considerate discussion
and AWARE moves forward.
JAN Kruse


On Mar 26, 2007, at 1:21 PM, Bob Illyes wrote:

> Hi Joe.
>
> You may have missed some of the flag-related posts because some were 
> sent to Peace rather than PeaceDiscuss, where they should have been 
> sent.
>
> I too agree with Bob and Tom.
>
> There are two camps at AWARE:
>
> 1) If you're not offending the other side, you're not making a 
> difference.
>
> 2) If you're not building bridges to the other side, you're not making

> a difference.
>
> Camp one measures its success in terms of how many people it makes 
> angry. This camp tends to be anti-American (thinks that America is one

> of the worst countries on earth), and is profoundly pessimistic about 
> democracy and the ability of ordinary people to make correct 
> decisions, even if they possess all relevant facts, i.e., it is 
> elitist. But have no fear- the world will be saved if enough people 
> are in a rage.....  Right. By what mechanism, I ask. By the magic of 
> Hegelian dialectic, perhaps?
>
> Camp two measures its success in terms of how many civil but 
> substantive conversations it's had with people who disagree with it. 
> This is the larger group in AWARE. If it ever ceases to be the larger 
> group, I will leave AWARE, because it will have become part of the 
> problem rather than part of the solution.
>
> Please don't expect one voice from AWARE regarding the flag- it isn't 
> possible.
>
> Bob
>
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JAN Kruse