[Peace-discuss] Not that Obama's any better
C. G. Estabrook
galliher at uiuc.edu
Tue Apr 29 09:38:54 CDT 2008
Liberals entertain the fantasy that reality is subject to their wills.
Solipsism is a constant temptation to them.
Jenifer Cartwright wrote:
> "True" only in YOUR reality, Carl :-)
>
> */"C. G. Estabrook" <galliher at uiuc.edu>/* wrote:
>
> No, the subject line is explained by the fact that it's true, and
> the opposite
> implication is false.
>
> Jenifer Cartwright wrote:
> > Three hours, huh. Well, maybe that explains the subject line,
> then. That
> > kinda nasty stuff rubs off real easy.
> > --Jenifer
> >
> > */"C. G. Estabrook" /* wrote:
> >
> > But it's important that a certain primitive psychological splitting
> > doesn't lead
> > people to imagine that Hillary's awfulness makes Obama look good.
> >
> > And BTW I had a long auto trip last week and listened to Limbaugh's
> > full three-
> > hour show. It's interesting to hear how he does it. What he says is
> > nuts and
> > worse, but he has polished a rhetorical form that's supple and
> > inventive. It's
> > good audio theatre. --CGE
> >
> >
> > Jenifer Cartwright wrote:
> > > Good article, Carl. Thanks for posting it. However, the subject
> line
> > > should have read "Hillary Strangelove" as that's what the
> > editorial is
> > > about. "Not that Obama's any better" is off-topic and soooo
> > totally Rush
> > > Limbaugh/Bill O'Reilly.
> > > --Jenifer
> > >
> > > */"C. G. Estabrook" /* wrote:
> > >
> > > GLOBE EDITORIAL
> > > Hillary Strangelove
> > > April 27, 2008
> > >
> > > AMERICANS have learned to take with a grain of salt much of the
> > > rhetoric in a
> > > campaign like the current Democratic donnybrook between Hillary
> > > Clinton and
> > > Barack Obama. Still, there are some red lines that should never be
> > > crossed.
> > > Clinton did so Tuesday morning, the day of the Pennsylvania
> primary,
> > > when she
> > > told ABC's "Good Morning America" that, if she were president, she
> > > would
> > > "totally obliterate" Iran if Iran attacked Israel.
> > >
> > > This foolish and dangerous threat was muted in domestic media
> > > coverage. But it
> > > reverberated in headlines around the world.
> > >
> > > Responding with understatement to a question in the British
> House of
> > > Lords, the
> > > foreign minister responsible for Asia, Lord Mark Malloch-Brown,
> > said of
> > > Clinton's implication of a mushroom cloud over Iran: "While it is
> > > reasonable to
> > > warn Iran of the consequences of it continuing to develop nuclear
> > > weapons and
> > > what those real consequences bring to its security, it is probably
> > > not prudent
> > > in today's world to threaten to obliterate any other country and in
> > > many cases
> > > civilians resident in such a country."
> > >
> > > A less restrained reaction came from an editorial in the
> Saudi-based
> > > paper Arab
> > > News. Being neighbors of Iran, the Saudis and the other Gulf Arabs
> > > have the most
> > > to fear from Iran's nuclear program and its drive to become the
> > > dominant power
> > > in the Gulf.
> > >
> > > But precisely because they are most at risk from Iran's regional
> > > ambitions, the
> > > Saudis want a carefully considered American approach to Iran, one
> > > that balances
> > > firmness and diplomatic engagement.
> > >
> > > The Saudi paper called Clinton's nuclear threat "the foreign
> > > politics of the
> > > madhouse," saying, "it demonstrates the same doltish ignorance
> > that has
> > > distinguished Bush's foreign relations."
> > >
> > > The Saudis are not always sound advisers on American foreign
> policy.
> > > But they
> > > understand that Rambo rhetoric like Clinton's only plays into the
> > > hands of
> > > Iranian hard-liners who want to plow ahead with efforts to attain a
> > > nuclear
> > > weapons capability. They argue that Iran must have that capability
> > > in order to
> > > deter the United States from doing what Clinton threatened to do.
> > >
> > > While Clinton has hammered Obama for supporting military strikes in
> > > Pakistan,
> > > her comments on Iran are much more far-reaching. She seems not to
> > > realize that
> > > she undermined Iranian reformists and pragmatists. The Iranian
> > > people have been
> > > more favorable to America than any other in the Gulf region or the
> > > Middle East.
> > >
> > > A presidential candidate who lightly commits to obliterating Iran -
> > > and,
> > > presumably, all the children, parents, and grandparents in Iran -
> > > should not be
> > > answering the White House phone at any time of day or night.
> > >
> > > ###
> > >
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