[Peace-discuss] U.S. House Passes Resolution Apologizing for
Slavery
E. Wayne Johnson
ewj at pigs.ag
Sat Aug 2 14:14:19 CDT 2008
I think you have appropriately classified me as libertarian and sort of
anarchist.
"This would reduce society down to a collection of individuals without
any overarching societal commitment or collective identity."
Since I am fully of age, I choose my commitments and I do not want any
collective identities imposed upon me, and especially not those
identities to which I do not subscribe. I reject imposed collectivism
as tyrannical but realize that I have to choose what battles I want to
engage in while maintain my rejection. I perceive that almost all of
the time the US Government does not speak for me at all but rather seeks
to make me a unwilling servant in a system which I definitely did not
choose or participate in the formation of, and furthermore seems to
violate its own rules.
LAURIE wrote:
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> >I find it absolutely appalling that the Congress has the gall to make
> some empty rhetoric about
> >apologizing for one sort of slavery which me and my family never
> participated in.
>
> Hmmmm! While I find that I can agree with the rest of your post and
> with the part of the above statement with respect to empty rhetoric, I
> find the latter part of the statement very self centered and
> egotistical. Supposedly the U.S. government through its various legal
> bodies and agencies speaks on behalf of the collective society past,
> present, and future and not for individual persons, specific families,
> and/or particular private corporations past, present, and/or future.
> It is irrelevant if you or your family ever participated personally or
> otherwise. If it were the case that they could only speak for or on
> the behalf of those who actually, directly, or actively participated
> in past events, actions, policies, or practices, then neither I or my
> family ever participated in the formulation and signing of the
> Constitution so therefore we should not be bound by it or any of the
> laws passed by legislators who we did not personally vote for as our
> personal representatives or laws that we did not participate in the
> actual formulation and passage. This would reduce society down to a
> collection of individuals without any overarching societal commitment
> or collective identity. This may be a sort of libertarian anarchist
> version of society; but it is not the one we claim to operate under as
> a sovereign nation state. Even in the state of nature, man always
> participated in some collectivity even if it was merely a clan based
> tribal family and identified with that collectivity, its values,
> norms, practices, and traditions.
>
> *From:* peace-discuss-bounces at lists.chambana.net
> [mailto:peace-discuss-bounces at lists.chambana.net] *On Behalf Of *E.
> Wayne Johnson
> *Sent:* Saturday, August 02, 2008 11:59 AM
> *To:* jencart13 at yahoo.com
> *Cc:* Peace-discuss List
> *Subject:* Re: [Peace-discuss] U.S. House Passes Resolution
> Apologizing for Slavery
>
> I find it absolutely appalling that the Congress has the gall to make
> some empty rhetoric about
> apologizing for one sort of slavery which me and my family never
> participated in.
>
> At the same time no apology should be expected to come forth any time
> soon for anything meaningful
> such as for continually imposing on us the forced servitude of
> collectivism (/which is de facto slavery/),
> for continually eroding our personal liberties,
> for trampling on the Constitution (our By-laws),
> for ignoring the message and intent of the Declaration of Independence
> (our Charter),
> for taking the fruits of our labour against our will,
> for coercing our children into military service for the purpose of
> empire-building of by force of law or by force of deception,
> for many other similar insults to life, liberty and pursuit of
> happiness too numerous to mention,
>
> ...and for making vacuous resolutions.
>
> Jenifer Cartwright wrote:
>
> How 'bout apology w/ restitution? Yeah, that'll happen (ditto for
> Native Americans).
>
> --Jenifer
>
> --- On *Sat, 8/2/08, E. Wayne Johnson /<ewj at pigs.ag>
> <mailto:ewj at pigs.ag>/* wrote:
>
> From: E. Wayne Johnson <ewj at pigs.ag> <mailto:ewj at pigs.ag>
> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] U.S. House Passes Resolution
> Apologizing for Slavery
> To: "Walter Pituc" <wpituc2 at gmail.com> <mailto:wpituc2 at gmail.com>
> Cc: "Peace-discuss List" <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
> <mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
> Date: Saturday, August 2, 2008, 4:13 AM
>
> If they really are into apologies with repentance not just being
> apologists then I have a fairly long grocery list I can dig out
> for 'em...
>
> But somehow I don't think this rhetoric accounts for much of
> anything of substance.
>
> Walter Pituc wrote:
>
> The U.S. House of Representations passed a resolution to apologize
> for slavery on 7/29/2008.
>
> Wow, about time, eh? Now all we need is an apology for the
> genocide of Native Americans.
>
> http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=93064166
>
> http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=93059465
>
> -Walter
>
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