[Peace-discuss] Biden = business as usual...

[C. G. Estabrook]

Exactly right.  And it's great to top it off with a quote from the anarchist 
prince.  --CGE


Ricky Baldwin wrote:
> True enough, Illinois voters can safely vote for who we like.  As I told my
> mother (for the opposite reason) a few years ago when she called to ask if
> she could vote for Nader, "You're in Mississippi - you can vote for anybody
> you want to."  But I do think we can give some thought to voting as a kind of
> opinion poll.  That is, even if the media won't report on it reliably,
> political strategists whose job it is to advise candidates and parties - and
> frankly, those of us who make our own media or propagandize from
> streetcorners - may be counted on to study the actual results more closely.
> 
> 
> So I can see voting for Nader, whose record is long and respectable on the
> important issues.  Cynthia McKinney has a very good speech reprinted in this
> month's Z Magazine, and she has been courageous on several fronts.
> Basically, I like her.  But as a friend recently pointed out to me, her
> running mate confuses Iran and Iraq when speaking and just generally isn't
> that great in talking about issues - so, though a Green vote would be good,
> I'd be worried about my "protest vote" getting tallied in the "crackpot vote"
> column too easily.  As for Barr, I can't see the value of adding tally marks
> to the Libertarian column, however good the candidate may be on some near and
> dear issues.  Those business-crazy free marketeers too often dupe good people
> with their stances on so-called "social issues", civil rights and so on.
> When it comes to the realities of living with a capitalist economy, they're
> not so humanitarian.
> 
> Ricky Baldwin
> 
> 
> "Only those who do nothing make no mistakes." - Peter Kropotkin
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ---- From: C. G. Estabrook <galliher at uiuc.edu> To:
> rlangenh at illinois.edu Cc: Peace-discuss at anti-war.net Sent: Sunday, August 24,
> 2008 7:56:58 PM Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Biden = business as usual...
> 
> Does it matter?  Illinois' electoral votes will surely go to Obama -- it
> should be the safest of safe states for him -- so here we're free to vote for
> what we want, even if we think that McCain might be worse than Obama.
> 
> If I vote for president at all, I'll vote for Nader, McKinney -- or Barr,
> about whom Alex Cockburn had a good comment today:
> 
> "Face it, if you want to stay true to reason and  conscience, the man to vote
>  for is  Bob Barr, the Libertarian candidate. Check out from Friday’s 
> CounterPunch site his  stance on Georgia, an issue on which  I haven’t yet
> seen anything from Ralph. 'Bad and over-blown historical analogies won't help
> resolve the conflict,' Barr writes, 'If this war was like Adolf Hitler's
> attack on Poland, as some have suggested, Georgia would be occupied, its
> government would be ousted, and its residents would be on their way to
> concentration camps. No one would be traveling to Tbilisi and we wouldn't be
> talking to Moscow ... The most important American interest is defending
> America; and intervening on behalf of Georgia against Russia has nothing to
> do with defending America.'"
> 
> http://www.counterpunch.org/
> 
> rlangenh at illinois.edu wrote:
>> Estabrook: Does this mean that you are going to voe for  Barr?  I stand
>> amazed.