[Peace-discuss] Faith and fanaticism

[C. G. Estabrook]

That's a awfully strained parallel -- pre-emptive war and the conclusion that
Obama will do what he says he's going to do!

Do you think we should be sending notes to Obama in expectation that he's going
slap himself on the forehead like Homer Simpson and say, "D'oh! Not killing
Afghans! I never thought of that..."  --CGE


Stuart Levy wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 06:02:32PM -0600, C. G. Estabrook wrote:
>> It's not "honest" to conclude that Obama will do what he said he will do 
>> and is putting people in place to do?  That's a funny use of language at 
>> best, Mort. Perhaps an indication that the cupboard is bare when it comes 
>> to making liberal arguments for those prosecuting the US war. It reminds of
>>  the argument that "The president knows more than you do!" that was flung
>> in desperation at critics of LBJ. I think you're stuck in an indefensible 
>> position.  --CGE
> 
> If we in the peace & social justice movement condemn pre-emptive arrest of
> people who might intend to commit a crime, or pre-emptive war against nations
> who might attack others, shouldn't we give the same regard to our
> politicians?
> 
> Of course, we have to object to statements or presumed intentions! But Mort's
> right -- they are not the same thing as historical acts.
> 
> We should be preparing to try Bush/Cheney/Wolfowitz/Rumsfeld/Yoo/etc. for war
> crimes, but not so Obama, whom we STILL HAVE A CHANCE TO INFLUENCE.
> 
>> Brussel Morton K. wrote:
>>> He just hasn't done it yet. You must know that, so don't distort the 
>>> issue---it's not honest. I expect Obama will do what he's said, but I'm
>>> not yet absolutely certain. He could change (in greater or lesser ways.),
>>> or events could change his intended actions. No illusions about Obama
>>> (before the election--I voted for McKinney), even worse prognostications
>>> over all  with McCain/Palin. --mkb On Dec 19, 2008, at 2:41 PM, C. G.
>>> Estabrook wrote:
>>>> You had no trouble believing McCain was going to do what he said he was
>>>>  going to do.  Why do you have trouble believing Obama?
>>>> 
>>>> Any campaign motive for lying is over. And Obama has been more
>>>> consistent and indeed truthful.  So (as some Brit's would say) BOb's
>>>> your uncle... --CGE
>>>> 
>>>> Morton K. Brussel wrote:
>>>>> Are you not getting a little ahead of the game with your 
>>>>> Clinton-Bush-Obama war crimes? BOb is not yet there. --mkb On Dec 19,
>>>>> 2008, at 12:55 PM, C. G. Estabrook wrote: